Bonjour toutes,

J'avais ajoute un nouveau section de mon website. C'est
dans sante et spiritualite - an Englais. Sur reiki, Vivre
avec Depression Manic, diet, hypnose et l'elixir de vivre.

http://www.katinkahesselink.net/health/

Bon lire,

Katinka Hesselink

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Bonjour Andréas ,

Je connais seulement un site en Francais:
http://www.theosophical.ca/

Pour online-documents voir:
http://www.theosophical.ca/Francais/documentsligne.htm

Bienvenue a ce groupe,
Bien amicalement, (excuse le qualité de mon Francais)
Katinka
>      De : "kriya111fr" <kriya.111@...>
>   Objet : pdf a télécharger :-)
>
> bonjour
>
> Je recherche sites où télécharger en pdf ou autre format
> livres
> d'Annie Besant, Leadbeater, Powell, Olcott, Blavatsky
> etc....
> j'ai la plupart, mais pour des ami(e)s qui n'ont pas les
> moyens
> d'acheter ces livres ou de les trouver,
> principalement les livres de Besant & Leadbeater, mes
> préférés
> merci d'avance,
> j'ai particulièrement apprécié aussi la serie sur les
> corps de
> POWELL, merveilles de clarté et profondeur
>
> Bien amicalement,
> Andréas 111
>

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Bonjour

je suis Homme d'age mur, habitant Ham en Picardie
reprends études à la rentrée informatique BTS/LICENCE, analyste
programmeur et autres modules,
beaucoup de sujets d'intérêt.... pratiquant kriya yoga,
appréciant beaucoup Théosophie (ma formation base)
j'apprécie particulièrement nature, forêt, photo, défense animaux,
camping, histoire de France, musique cinéma littérature,
ésotérisme,ufologie,jardinage, ...

recherche ami, amies sur région AMIENS, Ham, St Quentin, Noyon,
Péronne, surtout sur AMIENS dès octobre2002, je vais faire long
séjour sur AMIENS 80000

merci de m'avoir lu,
dans l'attente :-)

bien amicalement
Andréas 111 (Picardie/France)

bonjour

Je recherche sites où télécharger en pdf ou autre format livres
d'Annie Besant, Leadbeater, Powell, Olcott, Blavatsky etc....
j'ai la plupart, mais pour des ami(e)s qui n'ont pas les moyens
d'acheter ces livres ou de les trouver,
principalement les livres de Besant & Leadbeater, mes préférés
merci d'avance,
j'ai particulièrement apprécié aussi la serie sur les corps de
POWELL, merveilles de clarté et profondeur

Bien amicalement,
Andréas 111

Hi all,

People who visit my Jiddu Krishnamurti-site have asked me
for some time to start an e-mailgroup on this subject. So
far, I've said something like: I don't have such a group,
but you can join me at Universal Seekers, a list I own.
Since that group does not precisely fit these peoples
needs, they have usually left after a bit.

So, I have started a new list, today. It is called
Krishnamurti and Co. and is meant for people who want to
discuss Jiddu Krishnamurti's teachings, how they apply in
everyday life and how they compare to other spiritual
lineages.

It can be found at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/K-and-C/

If you want to join, you will be asked to tell me something
of your spiritual interests, and or why you want to join
this group. The messages will be private (or as private as
they can be on the internet).

Katinka Hesselink


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Hi all,

I don't know when the end of this is, but if as many of you
as possible could do this, it would probably be a good
idea.

The sender is the TOS (Theosophical Order of Service), a
group which is attached to the Theosophical Society, to do
"Good". But this call for help can be heeded whether one is
a member of the Theosophical Society or not. All that is
needed is a bit of time and sympathy with vegetarianism.

Katinka
> >June 7, 2002
> >
> >
> >Dear Friends,
> >
> >The International President of the TOS, Mrs Radha
> Burnier, is calling for=20
> >our help on an  urgent matter.
> >
> >The Government of India is currently formulating its
> tenth five-year plan=20
> >and the meat sub-committee has recommended the
> development of the large=20
> >scale slaughter of animals. It wishes to encourage the
> export and import of=
> >=20
> >meat and to promote the eating of flesh by Indians  all
> in the name of=20
> >foreign exchange, economic development and
> modernization. As you can=20
> >imagine, this is contrary to the country=92s beautiful
> spiritual tradition=
> > of=20
> >ahimsa and represents a further step down the path
> Western nations have=20
> >taken of the industrial exploitation of animals without
> regard for the=20
> >environment and human health.
> >
> >Radha asks us to write to the Prime Minister of India to
> express our=20
> >concern while there is still time to do so. A limited
> period has been set=20
> >by the Government for public consultation before the new
> five-year plan is=
> >=20
> >adopted. Radha believes that letters from members of the
> TS and TOS around=
> >=20
> >the world, written either as individuals or as members
> of a TOS group or=20
> >branch, will bring real pressure to bear on the
> Government.
> >
> >Please take the time to write to the Prime Minister
> (address below),=20
> >sending a copy of your letter to:
> >
> >Mr Dharampal
> >Chairman Cattle Commission of India
> >Krishi Bhavan
> >New Delhi 110 001
> >India
> >
> >Mr Arjun Gopalaratnam
> >Campaign Manager
> >The Theosophical Society
> >Adyar
> >Chennai, 600 020
> >India
> >
> >Sample letters are provided below but please write in
> your own words. It is=
> >=20
> >not necessary to write at great length. Your help in
> this matter is greatly=
> >=20
> >appreciated. If you are writing in a language other than
> English, please=20
> >try to attach a pr=E9cis in English=85
> >
> >
> >
> >Yours fraternally,
> >
> >Diana Dunningham Chapotin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >SAMPLE LETTER 1:
> >
> >Mr. Atal Bihari Vajpayee
> >Prime Minister of India
> >No.7, Race Course Road
> >New Delhi 110 001
> >India
> >
> >Dear Sir,
> >
> >As you know, the spiritual wisdom and ethical heritage
> of India have had an=
> >=20
> >impact on hundreds of thousands of individuals around
> the world as modern=20
> >communication and scholarship have made them more
> accessible. India, by its=
> >=20
> >profound philosophy and religious ethos, and by a galaxy
> of great Indians=20
> >who have upheld the importance of ahimsa in all areas of
> life, stands as a=
> >=20
> >world leader in the preservation of certain timeless
> values.
> >
> >I/We see that the meat sub-committee of your 10th
> Planning Commission is=20
> >recommending an increase in the slaughter of animals, in
> the export and=20
> >import of meat and in flesh consumption by your
> citizens. This shocks and=20
> >saddens those of us for whom India has always stood for
> kindness toward the=
> >=20
> >animal kingdom.
> >
> >I/We respectfully suggest that this exploitation is a
> most unfortunate=20
> >policy and request that you do your utmost to maintain
> India=92s=20
> >centuries-old stance of compassion toward all living
> creatures. It seems a=
> >=20
> >tragedy to take India down a road which so many nations
> have already=20
> >learned is a dead-end. There are a great number of
> studies and statistics=20
> >available showing that large-scale animal breeding is an
> environmental and=
> >=20
> >economic disaster in the long term.
> >
> >I/We urge you and your fellow ministers most strongly to
> decline the meat=20
> >sector=92s recommendations and to do all in your power
> to explore=
> > alternative=20
> >sources of income, livelihood and nutritional supplies
> for India.
> >
> >
> >Yours sincerely,
> >
> >
> >
> >SAMPLE LETTER 2:
> >
> >Respected Sir,
> >
> >As a friend of India, a country with a great spiritual
> tradition of=20
> >non-violence, I am distressed and concerned about the
> policies recommended=
> >=20
> >by the meat sector for your tenth five-year plan.
> >
> >I appeal to you, Mr Vajpayee, as custodian of the
> nation, to intervene in=20
> >this matter to ensure:
> >
> >=B7       a reversal of the policy of cattle slaughter
> >=B7       a halt to all meat export
> >=B7       the phasing out of government support of meat
> production
> >
> >Thank you very much for your consideration of my
> proposals.
> >
> >
> >
> >Yours sincerely,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hi all,

Found this on my internet browsing-sessions. From the site:
http://service.plough.com/pp/forms/dr.htm

>>A church that doesn't provoke any crises, a gospel that
doesn't unsettle, a word of God that doesn't get under
anyone's skin, a word of God that doesn't touch the real
sin of the society in which it is being proclaimed - what
gospel is that? Very nice, pious considerations that don't
bother anyone, that's the way many would like preaching to
be. Those preachers who avoid every thorny matter so as not
to be harassed, so as not to have conflicts and
difficulties, do not light up the world they live in.>>

Excerpted from The Violence of Love by Oscar Romero.

Hope it provokes some comments.
Katinka

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Hi all,

There is a new J. Krishnamurti site out there. It has very
many quotes and includes pictures of him. It sort of gives
the standard view of Krishnamurti. Here is the URL:

http://www.jiddukrishnamurti.info/

And here is a nice quote:

"Most of us are rich with the things of society. What
society has created in us and what we have created in
ourselves, are greed, envy, anger, hate, jealousy, anxiety
- and with all these we are very rich.
The various religions throughout the world have preached
poverty. The monk assumes a robe, changes his name, shaves
his head, enters a cell and takes a vow of poverty and
chastity; in the East he has one loin cloth, one robe, one
meal a day - and we all respect such poverty. But those men
who have assumed the robe of poverty are still inwardly,
psychologically, rich with the things of society because
they are still seeking position and prestige; they belong
to this order or that order, this religion or that
religion; they still live in the divisions of a culture, a
tradition.

That is not poverty. Poverty it to it completely free of
society, though one may have a few more clothes, a few more
meals - good God, who cares? But unfortunately in most
people there is this urge for exhibitionism. Poverty
becomes a marvelously beautiful thing when the mind is free
of society. One must become poor inwardly for then there is
no seeking, no asking, no desire, nothing! It is only this
inward poverty that can see the truth of a life in which
there is no conflict at all."

Freedom From the Known, p.60

Hope you all enjoy.
Katinka

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NOSTRADAMUS FORESEES THE ROLE OF QIGONG

Wang Jianjun
(Hanlin Academy)

	 The humankind for a long has lived through a dreadful
anxiety and horror, in its pursuit to explain
Nostradamus’ quatrain about July, 1999  [X - 72].

	 At last, this date has passed, the new millennium has
come and the people have drew a sigh of relief.   For
a short.  The events from the last autumn on again set
up the humankind on alert...

	 Whether Nostradamus wanted to frighten the people
with his prophecies?  Or, he just wanted to have a
joke?  Or, as some interpret, he has made a mistake in
the calculations, and the “end of world” has been
postponed?  Neither the one, nor the other, nor the
third.  The great scientist had a profound
understanding on the objective laws of Universe and
their impact on people.  With a unprejudiced
exposition and love to humanity, he has strived to
forewarn it, to awaken it, so that the people do all
what is in the frames of their abilities to avoid the
disasters.  Because, the movements in Universe follow
their objective laws and cyclic recurrence, and the
Earth (including everything on her) is subordinate to
their influence: every part and every detail naturally
comply to the general movement of the  Cosmic whole!

	 For Nostradamus, the year of 1999 represents a
partitioning line, in which the principles of the old
and the new epoch collide.  He knows that the change
of one big cycle with another, what are, for example,
two millenniums, is made uneasily.  The cataclysms in
Nature and society continue before and after the
boundary of two cycles, until a new equilibrium is
achieved.    That is why, after the beginning of the
new millennium, there occur many unhealthy phenomena.

	 Our present day still has not drift far from the
restless transition period  toward the New epoch.  The
people should be wakeful: they should search for the
true path toward their own liberation from the circle
of negative influences, so that to make their life
better and continue the advancement of humanity.  The
heaven does not exterminate the humans, neither it
takes up with their salvation, but instead grants them
the opportunity to attain their freedom and
advancement on their own.   Nostradamus has clearly
understood this truth.

	 Thus, along with the objective analysis on the cyclic
changes in Universe and their reflection on humankind,
he has also looked for the reverse tendency, which can
give a hope to the people.  Because, within Yin there
is also Yang, therefore, such a tendency always exists
in reality in Nature.

	 When Nostradamus recounts to Katherine de Medici, the
then queen of France, about the future hardships of
humanity, the queen asks him whether he knows a way
that will help the people to evade the terrible events
- whether aliens, or a new race, or something else,
some kind of thing, for example, would not help them?
Or, the dreadful calamities inevitably must happen?
Nostradamus replies to her that there is only one way
to avoid the misfortunes, but this does not pertain to
the assumptions listed by her: neither aliens, nor any
kind of thing could rescue the humankind.   The
terrible events might not happen only if in the
future, near before the time of the great tumult,
there occur a new phenomenon.  What is it, he cannot
clearly name it, but he feels that only if this
phenomenon manifest itself in advance, the humanity
for sure would change its previous way of living,
avoid its self-destruction, revive and start to build
a completely different human world.

	 Although he fails to give it a name,  Nostradamus has
felt this phenomenon as really existing in Nature, he
has sensed that it flows both in Universe and
throughout the human world.  Moreover, in several
quatrains he precisely describes the characteristics
of this phenomenon, which, according to him, will save
the world.

	 Now we live in the time, which Nostradamus had in
mind.  Let’s think about: what did before the end of
last century manifest itself as a new phenomenon in
society, which actually possesses the power and the
potentiality to completely transform the humans, their
health, understandings and behavior.  The unknown
phenomenon, according to  Nostradamus, should had
happened  before 1999.

	 During the 50s, in the middle of 20th century, there
really occurred one phenomenon of this type: qigong,
an ancient teaching on the objective connections
between Man and Universe, which also comprises
practices for physical and spiritual development of
the people, overcame the limits of the separate
schools.  In the end of the 70s and the beginning of
the 80s, qigong started to spread quickly and
extensively throughout all over the Earth.  For less
than 10 years, the interest toward qigong around the
world increased to such an extend that it indeed
became a large-scale phenomenon and now, according to
the statistics, the people practicing qigong are more
than those practicing all types of sport, martial arts
and other methods brought together.

	 Why namely qigong is the phenomenon, about which
Nostradamus speaks during his meeting with Katherine
de Medici?  Because qigong is a natural product and is
not made up by the humans.  It contains objective
knowledge and natural techniques for increasing qi.
And, qi (the vital energy), which is accumulated and
cultivated in the human body through qigong,
represents the power capable to regulate and balance
the human being, to help his attain healthy body and
mind, expand his knowledge on the objective world,
modify his behavior, change his fate and equibalance
his connections with Nature.  Qi - the energy - by and
large exists objectively not only within the human,
but also in environment.  It is everywhere in the
great cosmic space, a fundamental constructive unit
for all things and occurrences.  Qi has the most
omnipresent nature.  All things in Universe are
connected through it in a invisible net.  That is why,
it is an expression of the greatest whole and unity in
Nature.  Not a living being could exist without it.
The physical and spiritual health of man is based on,
regulated and developed thanks to qi.  The harmony in
Universe also is maintained and relies on this fine
substance.

	 And, because qigong views these subjects
scientifically, from the point of the objective truth,
without doubt, it is the very phenomenon, which
Nostradamus refers to.   Not accidentally, many of the
qigong practitioners after a time confide that the
positive changes in their personality  are so
significant that, as if they have become other people,
as if they live a new live.

	 Among the quatrains of the great scientist, there are
at least three, in which are described specific
issues, related to the training and nature of this
teaching:

     [III-2]    Le diuin verbe pourra à la substance,
                  Comprins ciel, terre, or occult au
fait mystique
                  Corps, ame, esprit ayant toute
puissance,
                  Tant soubs ses pieds comme au siege
Celique.

	      The divine word will give to the sustenance
	      Including heaven, earth, gold hidden in the
mystic milk:
	      Body, soul, spirit having all power
	      As much under its feet as the Heavenly see.

	 The gold of the knowledge about qi has been hidden
till now in mystic attires.  Yet, only thanks to qi,
“body, soul and spirit” could be genuinely powerful.
There comes a time, when the people learn about the
objective truth about the substance - the invisible,
but material energy, intrinsic to all things, to the
humans and the whole Universe, in order to overcome
their problems.  Indeed, only qi - the most profound
original substance, of which are construct all things
in Nature, has the power to transform their quality,
and thus, the direction of their development.

   [IV-25]   Corps sublimes sans fin à l'œil visibles,
                  Obnubiler viendra par ses raisons,
                  Corps, front comprins, sens, chef &
inuisibles,
                  Diminuant les sacrees oraisons.

	      Lofty bodies endlessly visible to the eye,
	      Through these reasons they will come to obscure;
	      Body, forehead included, sense and head
invisible,
	     Diminishing the sacred prayers.

	 In the process of qi cultivation, the fine matter of
energy  becomes visible for the human eyes.  The
obscurity in the understanding is due to one’s
insufficient knowledge on the natural truths.  When
one practices qigong, however, in the state of
profound meditation one stops to feel the body, mind
and the senses (“forehead included”), which as if
become intangible, while the consciousness at the same
time attains extraordinary clarity and unison with
Universe.  Then, one realizes that one should not rely
only on prayers and like the children always to beg
for something from his Father, but one should also
rely on his own work and endeavors in order to achieve
his health and enlightenment.

    [V-96]   Sur le milieu du grand monde la rose,
                  Pour nouueaux faits sang public
espandu,
                  A dire vray on aura bouche close,
                  Lors au besoin viendra tard
l'attendu.

                  The rose upon the middle of the great
world,
                  For new deeds public shedding of
blood:
                  To speak the truth, one will have a
closed mouth,
                  Then at the time of need the awaited
one will come late.

	 There should not always understand the words in their
direct literal meaning.  Here, the word is not about
shedding of blood.  The new deeds, which are able to
transform the people and the Path of humanity, demand
to “give blood”, i.e. to exert great endeavors.
Efforts and work are required.

	 In order to change one’s life and behavior, one first
will have to realize this necessity and change his way
of thinking.  To understand the Truth of life, to
understand the Human and the natural Way toward the
further evolution, and the interconnections between
humanity and the Cosmos.  However, in order to cognize
the Truth and then to “speak” correctly for it, one
first will have to master and utilize the right method
for its achievement:  to relax “with a closed mouth”
and eyes, so that to let one’s inner matter restore qi
(energy), which will help him to attain health, mental
harmony and enlightenment.  In other words, one has to
practice meditation.  Yet, namely this quiet exercise
is the most important in the system of qigong.

	 Nostradamus points out that the knowledge on this
method (“the rose”) will come (it will blossom) from
“the middle of the great world”, i.e. from the Middle
Country, what in translation from Chinese means the
name of China.

	 In other places he again repeats: the knowledge would
be brought “from Tataria”, as by that time in Europe
often have called China, and what all of Nostradamus
interpreters have noticed.

	 Thus, in his quatrains Nostradamus shows us that only
qi (the energy) is that huge invisible power in
Universe, on Earth and in the human nature, which
transforms the people, their values and fate.  Only
through its increase and cultivation within the human
beings, it becomes possible in a natural way to
balance and regulate the interconnections between the
peoples, so that they be able to limit and even evade
the “terrible disasters”.  And only qi is in a
position to change the humanity’s path toward light
and peace, in a harmony with  Nature.

Wang Jianjun
Hanlin Academy
hanlin_academy@...

February 2nd, 2002, Sofia


PS: D-r Wang Jianjun is a prominent qigong scientist,
president of Hanlin Academy.   Member of the Chinese
Scientific Institute for Human Research, the Chinese
Qigong Scientific Research Association, the Chinese
Medicine Association of China and member of the
Governing Board of Ecoforum for Peace World Movement
to the United Nations.  He is author of several books,
including on “Natural Qigong”  (“Wuwei Qigong”) and
numerous scientific articles.  Many times before July,
1999, d-r Wang Jianjun repeatedly explained in his
lectures that “the end  of world” will not come and
that the meaning, put by Nostradamus in this phrase is
another: an end of the old time and a beginning of the
new; however the transition period between them is not
easily accomplished and it is accompanied by many
phenomena of struggle between the positive and
negative trends in Nature and society.



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Cher amices,

Je pense que Alice Bailey a exploré très bien la psychology
de theosophy. Mais je ne crois pas, que'elle a compris
l'organisation ésotérique des Mahatmas.

(I really hope these sentences make sense in French).

Le T.S. n'a pas une opinion "officielle" sur ce sujet. Il
n'a pas une opinion "officielle" sur aucune sujet général.

Amitiés à tous,
Katinka
>      De : "urobore" <urobore@...>
>   Objet : Bonjour aux membres du Groupe Théosophique !
>
> Je voudrais vous demander votre avis au sujet d'un auteur
> qui me
> semble très intéressant : Alice Ann Bailey.
>
> Que pensez-vous du "Traité sur le Feu Cosmique" (A Treaty
> on Cosmic
> Fire) ? Je trouve la vision de la Doctrine Secrète et des
> Stances de
> Dzyan abordée d'une manière complètement différente mais
> profondément
> intéressante.
>
> Si des personnes sont membres de la Société Théosophique,
> je serais
> heureux de savoir quelle est leur opinion sur Alice Ann
> Bailey, Lucis
> Trust et l'Ecole Arcane, ainsi que l'opinion "officielle"
> de la
> Société Théosophique.
>
> Amitiés à tous,
>
> Phil


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-Wie observeert, leert , een heel leven lang.
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Je voudrais vous demander votre avis au sujet d'un auteur qui me
semble très intéressant : Alice Ann Bailey.

Que pensez-vous du "Traité sur le Feu Cosmique" (A Treaty on Cosmic
Fire) ? Je trouve la vision de la Doctrine Secrète et des Stances de
Dzyan abordée d'une manière complètement différente mais profondément
intéressante.

Si des personnes sont membres de la Société Théosophique, je serais
heureux de savoir quelle est leur opinion sur Alice Ann Bailey, Lucis
Trust et l'Ecole Arcane, ainsi que l'opinion "officielle" de la
Société Théosophique.

Amitiés à tous,

Phil

Hi all,

On my website I refer to letters by Corson - I believe.
Seems in my yahoo-bookmarks I've hidden a link to an online
version to them. So here it is for all those who have been
curious:
http://www.theosociety.org/pasadena/corson/cors-com.htm

Katinka

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Hi all, this letter says in much better words, and with
more facts than I could come up with what (In my opinion
too) is the cause of this war.

Katinka
-----------------------------------------
WHAT  CAN  WE  DO  ABOUT  TERRORISM?
By Dr. Robert M. Bowman, Lt. Col., USAF, ret.*
*Dr. Robert M. Bowman directed all the "Star Wars" programs

under presidents Ford and Carter and flew 101 combat
missions in Vietnam. His Ph.D. is in  Aeronautics and
Nuclear Engineering from Caltech. He is President of the
Institute for Space and Security Studies and Presiding
Archbishop of the United Catholic Church.   Dr. Bowman can
be reached at RobertBowman@....


"Mr. President, you did not tell the American people the
truth about why we are the targets of terrorism. You said
that we are the target because we stand for democracy,
freedom, and human rights in the world.
Baloney! We are the target of terrorist because we  stand
for dictatorship, bondage, and human exploitation in the
world. We are the target of terrorists because we are
hated.
And we are hated because our government has done hateful
things."

"We are not hated because we practice democracy, freedom,
and human rights. We are hated because our government
denies
these things to people in third world countries whose
resources are coveted by our multinational corporations.
And
that hatred we have sown has come back to haunt us in the
form
of terrorism, and in the future, nuclear terrorism."


A FEW YEARS AGO, terrorists destroyed two U.S. embassies.
President Clinton retaliated against suspected facilities
of Osama bin Laden.
In his television address, the President told the American
people that we were the targets of terrorism because we
stood for democracy, freedom, and human rights in the
world.

On that occasion, I wrote: "Tell people the truth, Mr.
President ... about terrorism, not about poor Monica. If
your
lies about terrorism go unchallenged, then the terror war
you have unleashed will likely continue
until it destroys us.

"The threat of nuclear terrorism is closing in upon us.
Chemical terrorism is at hand, and biological terrorism is
a
future danger. None of our thousands of nuclear weapons can

protect us from these threats. These idols of plutonium,
titanium, and steel are impotent. Our worship of them for
over
five decades has not brought us security, only greater
danger. No 'Star Wars'  system ... no matter how
technically
advanced, no matter how many trillions of dollars was
poured
into it ... can protect us from even a single terrorist
bomb. Not one weapon in our vast arsenal can shield us from
a
nuclear weapon
delivered in a sailboat or a Piper Cub or a suitcase or a
Ryder rental truck.
Not a penny of the 273 billion dollars a year we spend on
so-called defense can actually defend us against a
terrorist
bomb. Nothing in our enormous military establishment can
actually give us one whit of
security. That is a military fact.

"Mr. President, you did not tell the American people the
truth about why we are the targets of terrorism. You said
that we are the target because we stand for democracy,
freedom, and human rights in the world.
Baloney! We are the target of terrorists because we stand
for dictatorship, bondage, and human exploitation in the
world. We are the target of terrorists because we are
hated.
And we are hated because our government has done hateful
things.

"In how many countries have we deposed popularly elected
leaders and replaced them with puppet military dictators
who
were willing to sell out their own people to American
multinational corporations?

"We did it in Iran when we deposed Mossadegh because he
wanted to nationalize the oil industry. We replaced him
with
the Shah, and trained, armed, and paid his hated Savak
national guard, which enslaved and brutalized the people of

Iran. All to protect the financial interests of our oil
companies. Is it any
wonder there are people in Iran who hate us?

"We did it in Chile when we deposed Allende, democratically

elected by the people to introduce socialism. We replaced
him with the brutal right-wing military dictator, General
Pinochet. Chile has still not recovered.

"We did it in Vietnam when we thwarted democratic elections

in the South which would have united the country under Ho
Chi Minh. We replaced him with a series of ineffectual
puppet crooks who invited us to comein and slaughter their
people, and we did. (I flew 101 combat missions in that war

which you
properly opposed.)

"We did it in Iraq, where we killed a quarter of a million
civilians in a failed attempt to topple Saddam Hussein, and

where we have killed a million since then with our
sanctions. About half of these innocent
victims have been children under the age of five.

"And, of course, how many times have we done it in
Nicaragua and all the other banana republics of Latin
America? Time
after time we have ousted popular leaders who wanted the
riches of the land to be
shared by the people who worked it. We replaced them with
murderous tyrants who would sell out and
control their own people so that the wealth of the land
could be taken out by Domino Sugar, the United Fruit
Company,
Folgers, and Chiquita Banana.

"In country after country, our government has thwarted
democracy, stifled freedom, and trampled human rights.
That's
why we are hated around the world.
And that's why we are the target of terrorists.

"People in Canada enjoy better democracy, more freedom, and

greater human rights than we do. So do the people of Norway

and Sweden.
Have you heard of Canadian embassies being bombed?  Or
Norwegian embassies?
Or Swedish embassies.  No.

"We are not hated because we practice democracy, freedom,
and human rights.
We are hated because our government denies these things to
people in third world countries whose resources are coveted

by our multinational corporations. And that hatred we have
sown has come back to haunt us in the form of terrorism,
and in the future, nuclear terrorism.

"Once the truth about why the threat exists is understood,
the solution becomes obvious. We must change our
government's ways.

"Instead of sending our sons and daughters around the world

to kill Arabs so the oil companies can sell the oil under
their sand, we must send them to rebuild their
infrastructure, supply clean water, and feed
starving children.

"Instead of continuing to kill thousands of Iraqi children
every day with our sanctions, we must help them rebuild
their electric powerplants, their water treatment
facilities,
their hospitals; all the things we
destroyed in our war against them and prevented them from
rebuilding with our sanctions.

"Instead of seeking to be king of the hill, we must become
a responsible member of the family of nations. Instead of
stationing hundreds of thousands of troops around the world

to protect the financial
interests of our multinational corporations, we must bring
them home and expand the Peace Corps.

"Instead of training terrorists and death squads in the
techniques of torture and assassination, we must close the
School of the Americas (no matter what name they use).
Instead
of supporting military
dictatorships, we must support true democracy; the right of

the people to choose their own leaders. Instead of
supporting insurrection, destabilization, assassination,
and terror
around the world, we must abolish the CIA and give the
money to relief agencies.

"In short, we do good instead of evil. We become the good
guys, once again.
The threat of terrorism would vanish. That is the truth,
Mr. President. That is what the American people need to
hear.
We are good people. We only need to be told the truth and
given the vision. You can do it, Mr. President. Stop the
killing. Stop the justifying. Stop the retaliating. Put
people
first.
Tell them the truth."

Needless to say, he didn't ... and neither has George W.
Bush. Well, the seeds our policies have planted have borne
their bitter fruit. The World Trade Center is gone. The
Pentagon is damaged. And thousands
of Americans have died. Almost every TV pundit is crying
for massive military retaliation against whoever might have

done it (assumedly the same Osama bin Laden) and against
whoever harbors or aids theterrorists (most notably the
Taliban government of Afghanistan). Steve Dunleavy of the
New
York
Post screams "Kill the bastards! Train assassins, hire
mercenaries, put a couple of million bucks up for bounty
hunters to get them dead or alive, preferably dead. As for
cities
or countries that host these worms, bomb them into
basketball courts." It's tempting to agree.  I have no
sympathy for
the psychopaths that killed thousands of our people.  There

is no excuse for such acts.  If I was recalled to active
duty, I would go in a heartbeat.  At the same time, all my
military experience and knowledge tells me that retaliation

hasn't rid us of the problem in the past, and won't this
time.

By far the world's best anti-terrorist apparatus is
Israel's. Measured in military terms, it has been
phenomenally
successful. Yet Israel still suffers more attacks than all
other nations combined. If retaliation worked, Israelis
would
be the world's most secure people.

Only one thing has ever ended a terrorist campaign --
denying the terrorist organization the support of the
larger
community it represents. And the only way to do that is to
listen to and alleviate the legitimate
grievances of the people. If indeed Osama bin Laden was
behind the four hijackings and subsequent carnage, that
means
addressing the concerns of the Arabs and Muslims in general

and of the Palestinians in particular. It does NOT mean
abandoning Israel. But it may very well mean withdrawing
financial and  military support until they abandon the
settlements in occupied territory and return to 1967
borders. It may
also mean allowing Arab countries to have leaders of their
own choosing, not hand-picked, CIA-installed dictators
willing to cooperate with Western oil companies.

Chester Gillings has said it very well: "How do we fight
back against bin Laden? The first thing we must ask
ourselves
is what is it we hope to achieve -- security or revenge?
The two are mutually exclusive; seek revenge and we WILL
reduce our security. If it is security we seek, then we
must
begin to answer the tough questions -- what are the
grievances of the Palestinians and the Arab world against
the United
States, and what is our real culpability for those
grievances? Where we find legitimate culpability,
we must be prepared to cure the grievance wherever
possible. Where we cannot find culpability or a cure, we
must
communicate honestly our positions directly to the Arab
people.
In short, our best course of action is to remove ourselves
as a combatant in the disputes of the region."

To kill bin Laden now would be to make him an eternal
martyr. Thousands would rise up to take his place. In
another
year, we would face another round of terrorism, probably
much
worse even than this one.  Yet
there is another way.

In the short term, we must protect ourselves from those who

already hate us.  This means increased security and better
intelligence.  I proposed to members of Congress in March
that we should deny any funds for "Star Wars" until such
time as the Executive Branch could show that they are doing

all possible
research on the detection and interception of weapons of
mass destruction entering the country clandestinely (a far
greater threat than ballistic missiles).  There are lots of

steps which can be taken to
increase security without detracting from civil rights.
But in the long term, we must change our  policies to stop
causing the fear and hatred which creates new terrorists.
Becoming independent of foreign oil through conservation,
energy efficiency, production of energy from renewable
sources, and a transition to non-polluting transportation
will
allow us to adopt a more rational policy toward the Middle
East.

The vast majority of Arabs and Muslims are good, peaceful
people. But enough of them, in their desperation and anger
and fear, have turned first to Arafat and now to bin Laden
to relieve their misery. Remove the desperation, give them
some hope, and support for terrorism will evaporate. At
that
point bin
Laden will be forced to abandon terrorism (as has Arafat)
or be treated like a common criminal. Either way, he and
his
money cease to be a threat. We CAN have security ... or we
can have revenge. We cannot have both.


                               ============================

*Dr. Robert M. Bowman directed all the "Star Wars" programs

under presidents Ford and Carter and flew 101 combat
missions in Vietnam. His Ph.D. is in  Aeronautics and
Nuclear
Engineering from Caltech. He is President of the Institute
for
Space and Security Studies and Presiding Archbishop of the
United Catholic Church.   Dr. Bowman can be reached at
RobertBowman@....




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Hallo,

J'vais recervoir un e-mail en Anglais dans le Afghanistan.
Je crois c'est interessant.

Katinka
----------
I've been hearing a lot of talk about "bombing Afghanistan
back to
the Stone Age." Ron Owens, on KGO Talk Radio today, allowed

that this
would mean  killing innocent people, people who had nothing

to do
with this atrocity, but  "we're at war, we have to accept
collateral
damage. What else can we do?"

Minutes later I heard some TV pundit discussing whether we
"have
the belly to do what must be done."

And I thought about the issues being raised especially hard

because
I am from Afghanistan, and even though I've lived here for
35 years
I've never lost  track of what's going on there. So I want
to tell
anyone who will listen how it all looks from where I'm
standing.

I speak as one who hates the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden.
There is
no doubt in my mind that these people were responsible for
the
atrocity in New York. I agree that something must be done
about those
monsters.

But the Taliban and Ben Laden are not Afghanistan. They're
not even
the government of Afghanistan.  The Taliban are a cult of
ignorant
psychotics who took over Afghanistan in 1997. Bin Laden is
a
political criminal with a plan.

When you think Taliban, think Nazis. When you think Bin
Laden,
think Hitler.   And when you think "the people of
Afghanistan" think "the
Jews in the concentration camps."   It's not only that the
Afghan
people had nothing to do with this atrocity. They were the
first
victims of the perpetrators. They would exult if someone
would come
in there, take out the Taliban and clear out the rats nest
of
international thugs holed up in their country.

Some say, why don't the Afghans rise up and overthrow the
Taliban?
The answer is, they're starved, exhausted, hurt,
incapacitated,
suffering. A few years ago, the United Nations estimated
that there are
500,000 disabled orphans in Afghanistan--a country with no
economy, no
food. There are millions of widows.  And the Taliban has
been burying
these widows alive in mass graves.  The soil is littered
with land mines,
the farms were all destroyed by the Soviets.  These are a
few of
the reasons why the Afghan people have not overthrown the
Taliban.

We come now to the question of bombing Afghanistan back to
the
Stone Age. Trouble is, that's been done. The Soviets took
care of it
already. Make the Afghans suffer? They're already
suffering. Level
their houses? Done. Turn their schools into piles of
rubble? Done.
Eradicate their hospitals? Done.  Destroy their
infrastructure? Cut
them off from medicine and health care?  Too late. Someone
already
did all that.

New bombs would only stir the rubble of earlier bombs.
Would they
at least get the Taliban? Not likely. In today's
Afghanistan, only the
Taliban eat, only they have the means to move around.
They'd slip
away and hide. Maybe the bombs would get some of those
disabled
orphans, they don't move too fast, they don't even have
wheelchairs. But flying over Kabul and dropping bombs
wouldn't really be a
strike against the criminals who did this horrific thing.
Actually it
would only be making common cause with the Taliban--by
raping once again
the people they've been raping all this time

So what else is there? What can be done, then? Let me now
speak
with true fear and trembling. The only way to get Bin Laden

is to go in
there with ground troops. When people speak of "having the
belly to
do what needs to be done" they're thinking in terms of
having the
belly to kill as many as needed.  Having the belly to
overcome any moral
qualms about killing innocent people. Let's pull our heads
out of
the sand. What's actually on the table is Americans dying.
And not just
because some Americans would die fighting their way through
Afghanistan to Bin Laden's hideout.  It's much bigger than
that
folks.

Because to get any troops to Afghanistan, we'd have to go
through
Pakistan. Would they let us? Not likely. The conquest of
Pakistan
would have to be first. Will other Muslim nations just
stand by?
You see where I'm going. We're flirting with a world war
between Islam
and the West. And guess what: that's Bin Laden's program.
That's exactly
what he
wants.  That's why he did this.  Read his speeches and
statements.
It's all right there.  He really believes Islam would beat
the
west. It might seem ridiculous, but he figures if he can
polarize the
world into Islam and the West, he's got a billion soldiers.

If the west
wreaks a holocaust in those lands, that's a billion people
with
nothing left to lose, that's even better from Bin Laden's
point of
view.  He's probably wrong, in the end the west would win,
whatever
that would mean, but the war would last for years and
millions
would die, not just theirs but ours. Who has the belly for
that? Bin
Laden does. Anyone else?


Tamim  Ansary







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Hallo,

Il y'a un nouveau website dans le theosophie en Francais.
Il est fait par le Theosophical Society dans le Canada. Il
a le documents de TS-Adyar Theosophie. Par example H.P.
Blavatsky, Radha Burnier et J.J. van der Leeuw
(Neerlandais, que moi).

excuse mon Francais, ceci le URL:

http://www.theosophique.ca/

et le documents a:
http://www.theosophique.ca/documentsligne.htm

Katinka

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Hi all,

I don't make a habit of telling you all about every change
I make on my website, but this time I make an exception.
Aside from having enlarged every quotes-section, this month
on the Esoteric Studies Guide, I've also just uploaded an
article on Karma, by H.P. Blavatsky. This article is
interesting, as it shows (IMO) a new light on the idea of
karma. We usually think, or talk about, bad karma, but this
article talks about how really only good karma is karma. I
am simplifying, of course. See for yourself at:
http://www.geocities.com/katinka_hesselink/hpbkarma.htm

Katinka

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-Wie observeert, leert , een heel leven lang.
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Hi all,

Does anybody know whether the below is valid? I don't like to send through
this kind of thing, but well, this issue is important. And if it is valid,
sending it through may be helpful.

katinka
--- Dan Osborne <djosborne1@...> wrote:
> From: "Dan Osborne" <djosborne1@...>
> To: <katinka_hesselink@...>
> Subject: Please Help!
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:01:41 -0700
>
> Please Take a Few Minutes to Stop Tyranny in its Tracks
> France Abolishing Human Rights
> Your freedom -- or that of your interfaith friends -- to discuss
> religious or philosophical matters, even participate in religious
> practices, even take healing foods, may soon be illegal in France and
> French Polynesia.
>
> Harsh anti-minority legislation passed both the French Senate and
> National Assembly in May. We have only until June 14 to influence
> France's President Jacques Chirac not to sign it, to refer it to the
> Constitutional Council for legal review.
>
> France's "About-Picard Bill" puts 100+ new and smaller groups and
> religions on a "Cult List." The bill contains a vague list of new
> "crimes" that are only crimes when committed by someone on the List.
>
> How extreme is the legislation?
>
> This legislation is written so broadly that if a leader in a listed
> organization is even judged at fault in a traffic accident with
> injuries, that group can be disbanded for five years. The government
> defines who the group's "leaders" are.
>
> Any ceremony or religious practice can be defined as "unintentional
> prejudice to the ...psychological integrity of the person ...prejudice
> to the person's freedoms, prejudice to the dignity of the person,
> prejudice to the personality."
>
> Rites, sacraments, customs or prayers deemed, "likely to alter
> judgment," are punishable.
>
> Religious healing can be punished as "illegal medical or pharmaceutical
> practice."
>
> Anti-cult associations will "represent" a person in court (against his
> will) against his own religion.
>
> Punishments
>
> Punishments, however, are quite clearly defined by reference to other
> French law. They include the group being disbanded, fined up to $75,000,
> having assets seized, and jailing its leaders for up to five years.
> Those found guilty become non-persons: They cannot exercise political,
> civil, or family rights. They cannot work as professionals nor even sign
> checks.
>
> You can read the law, with commentaries, at:
> http://www.cesnur.org/2001/fr_law_en.htm
>
> Who is affected?
>
> The bill's originator stated the law applies to "spiritual, ethnological
> and philosophical groups." Once an organization is on the list, the law
> applies to its education and to talking to another about religion,
> joining a political movement, etc. It can be used against ethnic groups
> who campaign for equal rights.
>
> Already on the blacklist are more than 100 groups and religions
> including Mormons, evangelical Christians, Christian Scientists,
> Scientologists, Quakers, Jehovah's Witnesses, Buddhist groups and
> others. One French newspaper said the laws would apply to a nun if the
> Catholic Church were someday put on the list.
>
> How can you stop this?
>
> You can communicate! Please. Easy and fast ways are below. Please do as
> many as you can:
>
> 1) Write your own letter to French President Chirac opposing the bill
> and asking him to refer it to France's Constitutional Council for legal
> review. (Chirac's fax number and a URL to email him is below.) Faxes
> seem to carry a bit more "weight" than emails.
>
> 2) A general letter/petition to Chirac is below. Please print out, sign
> and fax it to Chirac. His fax number and email URL are below. Get others
> to sign it if you wish.
>
> 3) A petition to the United Nations is below. Please sign and email it.
> Get others to sign it if you wish. Or write your own letter if you wish.
>
>
> 4) If you have influential contacts in France that could assist on this
> please let me know who they are and how I can reach them -- phone, fax,
> email, etc., so we can brief them.
>
> Thank you for your time. This will take only a few minutes. Your help on
> this is historically important.Very best,Jon von
> Guntengrid@...===============================
>
> To email French President
> Chirac:http://www.elysee.fr/ang/ecrire/mail_.htm<this URL links you to a
> page where you can fill in a message form.><President Chirac's Fax (from
> the USA): 011 33-147-42-2465>
>
> <petition/letter to M. Jacques Chirac>M. le Président de la RépubliqueM.
> Jacques ChiracPalais de l'Elysée55, Rue du Faubourg Saint Honoré75008
> Paris FrancePETITIONTo: President of the Republic, Jacques ChiracDeputés
> of the National AssemblySenatorsPrime Minister, Lionel JospinWe, the
> undersigned, wish to make clear our condemnation of the law passed in
> its final reading in the National Assembly entitled "To strengthen the
> prevention and repression of sectarian groups liable to undermine human
> rights and fundamental freedoms" for the following reasons:
>
> This law is in violation of the French Constitution, the European
> Convention on Human Rights, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
> and Covenants agreed upon under the Organization for Security and
> Cooperation in Europe.
>
> 1. This law is a law of exception.  It singles out a specific category
> of citizens who can then be persecuted based on arbitrary criteria that
> do not apply to other categories of citizens. One of the law's creators,
> French Deputé Catherine Picard, has stated it applies to "spiritual,
> ethnological and philosophical groups."
>
> Were this law to apply to political parties nearly all of them would be
> dissolved immediately.
>
> This is a violation of basic principles of law.
>
> 2. The law creates a penal offence that has no basis in accepted legal
> or scientific concepts.
>
> The title of the law refers to "sectarian groups" but there is no legal
> definition of this term, and it is broadly accepted that there is no way
> to differentiate between "sectarian" and "religious" when attempting to
> determine or ascribe negative characteristics to a religious movement.
> Neither does the law define "a person in a state of psychological or
> physical dependence," nor "the exertion of heavy or repeated pressure or
> techniques liable to alter his judgment" or "to induce.such person to do
> or abstain from an act that is seriously prejudicial to him."
>
> As such, it leaves application open to arbitrary interpretation by
> judges, and thus cannot be considered a sound law based on reason or
> objective criteria.
>
> "Under this law, any religious, belief or help community that engages in
> assistance to people in distress or need, risks being criminally
> convicted and shut down."
>
> This legislation will inevitably lead to serious infringement of the
> rights to freedom of association and religion.
>
> 3. This law allows for drastic penalties to be applied that are
> completely unnecessary and disproportionate to the offence committed.
>
> If one or more leaders, or de facto leaders, of a group are convicted
> for two or more penal offences an organization can be dissolved.
> According to the law, a group could be dissolved if a leader of the
> group has been convicted of two minor offences - even in their private
> lives.
>
> This is a violation of the right of freedom of association.
>
> 4. The mandatory use of an expedited trial procedure for all or
> so-called "urgent" cases violates the right to a fair trial.
>
> France has ratified and adopted all these international human rights
> standards and yet the National Assembly has turned a blind eye to each
> of them.
>
> We request that the fundamental right of all French citizens to believe
> and practice the religion or belief of their choice and to associate
> with religious organizations of their choice be fully respected and that
> this request is guaranteed.
>
> We sign to express our strongest disagreement with this legislation and
> call upon the President of the Republic, or the Prime Minister, or 60
> Members of the National Assembly or 60 Members of the Senate to send
> this law to the Constitutional Council for review within the 15 day
> time-limit.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> <signature>
>
> <type your name>
>
> ===========================
>
> <Petition to the UN>
>
> email to: webadmin.hchr@...  <this odd-looking email address is
> correct>
>
> PETITION to
>
> THE UNITED NATIONS HIGH COMMISSIONER ON HUMAN RIGHTS
>
> Please find herewith our Petition.
>
> WHEREAS: The French Senate and National Assembly have passed the
> "About-Picard" bill, empowering the state to disband religious,
> philosophical and ethnic groups;
>
> WHEREAS: The French Constitution requires the state to remain neutral in
> matters of religion;
>
> WHEREAS: The French Constitution guarantees freedom of expression,
> association and belief;
>
> WHEREAS: French Catholic, Protestant, Islamic and Jewish leaders have
> denounced this legislation;
>
> WHEREAS: International human rights organizations have denounced this
> legislation;
>
> WHEREAS: The Council of Europe is investigating the legislation, and
> religious discrimination in France.
>
> THEREFORE:  We respectfully petition that you urge the President of
> France not to sign this bill into law, but to submit it to the
> Constitutional Council for review.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> <type your name>
>
>


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Hi all,

Does anybody know whether the below is valid? I don't like to send through
this kind of thing, but well, this issue is important. And if it is valid,
sending it through may be helpful.

katinka
--- Dan Osborne <djosborne1@...> wrote:
> From: "Dan Osborne" <djosborne1@...>
> To: <katinka_hesselink@...>
> Subject: Please Help!
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2001 10:01:41 -0700
>
> Please Take a Few Minutes to Stop Tyranny in its Tracks
> France Abolishing Human Rights
> Your freedom -- or that of your interfaith friends -- to discuss
> religious or philosophical matters, even participate in religious
> practices, even take healing foods, may soon be illegal in France and
> French Polynesia.
>
> Harsh anti-minority legislation passed both the French Senate and
> National Assembly in May. We have only until June 14 to influence
> France's President Jacques Chirac not to sign it, to refer it to the
> Constitutional Council for legal review.
>
> France's "About-Picard Bill" puts 100+ new and smaller groups and
> religions on a "Cult List." The bill contains a vague list of new
> "crimes" that are only crimes when committed by someone on the List.
>
> How extreme is the legislation?
>
> This legislation is written so broadly that if a leader in a listed
> organization is even judged at fault in a traffic accident with
> injuries, that group can be disbanded for five years. The government
> defines who the group's "leaders" are.
>
> Any ceremony or religious practice can be defined as "unintentional
> prejudice to the ...psychological integrity of the person ...prejudice
> to the person's freedoms, prejudice to the dignity of the person,
> prejudice to the personality."
>
> Rites, sacraments, customs or prayers deemed, "likely to alter
> judgment," are punishable.
>
> Religious healing can be punished as "illegal medical or pharmaceutical
> practice."
>
> Anti-cult associations will "represent" a person in court (against his
> will) against his own religion.
>
> Punishments
>
> Punishments, however, are quite clearly defined by reference to other
> French law. They include the group being disbanded, fined up to $75,000,
> having assets seized, and jailing its leaders for up to five years.
> Those found guilty become non-persons: They cannot exercise political,
> civil, or family rights. They cannot work as professionals nor even sign
> checks.
>
> You can read the law, with commentaries, at:
> http://www.cesnur.org/2001/fr_law_en.htm
>
> Who is affected?
>
> The bill's originator stated the law applies to "spiritual, ethnological
> and philosophical groups." Once an organization is on the list, the law
> applies to its education and to talking to another about religion,
> joining a political movement, etc. It can be used against ethnic groups
> who campaign for equal rights.
>
> Already on the blacklist are more than 100 groups and religions
> including Mormons, evangelical Christians, Christian Scientists,
> Scientologists, Quakers, Jehovah's Witnesses, Buddhist groups and
> others. One French newspaper said the laws would apply to a nun if the
> Catholic Church were someday put on the list.
>
> How can you stop this?
>
> You can communicate! Please. Easy and fast ways are below. Please do as
> many as you can:
>
> 1) Write your own letter to French President Chirac opposing the bill
> and asking him to refer it to France's Constitutional Council for legal
> review. (Chirac's fax number and a URL to email him is below.) Faxes
> seem to carry a bit more "weight" than emails.
>
> 2) A general letter/petition to Chirac is below. Please print out, sign
> and fax it to Chirac. His fax number and email URL are below. Get others
> to sign it if you wish.
>
> 3) A petition to the United Nations is below. Please sign and email it.
> Get others to sign it if you wish. Or write your own letter if you wish.
>
>
> 4) If you have influential contacts in France that could assist on this
> please let me know who they are and how I can reach them -- phone, fax,
> email, etc., so we can brief them.
>
> Thank you for your time. This will take only a few minutes. Your help on
> this is historically important.Very best,Jon von
> Guntengrid@...===============================
>
> To email French President
> Chirac:http://www.elysee.fr/ang/ecrire/mail_.htm<this URL links you to a
> page where you can fill in a message form.><President Chirac's Fax (from
> the USA): 011 33-147-42-2465>
>
> <petition/letter to M. Jacques Chirac>M. le Président de la RépubliqueM.
> Jacques ChiracPalais de l'Elysée55, Rue du Faubourg Saint Honoré75008
> Paris FrancePETITIONTo: President of the Republic, Jacques ChiracDeputés
> of the National AssemblySenatorsPrime Minister, Lionel JospinWe, the
> undersigned, wish to make clear our condemnation of the law passed in
> its final reading in the National Assembly entitled "To strengthen the
> prevention and repression of sectarian groups liable to undermine human
> rights and fundamental freedoms" for the following reasons:
>
> This law is in violation of the French Constitution, the European
> Convention on Human Rights, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
> and Covenants agreed upon under the Organization for Security and
> Cooperation in Europe.
>
> 1. This law is a law of exception.  It singles out a specific category
> of citizens who can then be persecuted based on arbitrary criteria that
> do not apply to other categories of citizens. One of the law's creators,
> French Deputé Catherine Picard, has stated it applies to "spiritual,
> ethnological and philosophical groups."
>
> Were this law to apply to political parties nearly all of them would be
> dissolved immediately.
>
> This is a violation of basic principles of law.
>
> 2. The law creates a penal offence that has no basis in accepted legal
> or scientific concepts.
>
> The title of the law refers to "sectarian groups" but there is no legal
> definition of this term, and it is broadly accepted that there is no way
> to differentiate between "sectarian" and "religious" when attempting to
> determine or ascribe negative characteristics to a religious movement.
> Neither does the law define "a person in a state of psychological or
> physical dependence," nor "the exertion of heavy or repeated pressure or
> techniques liable to alter his judgment" or "to induce.such person to do
> or abstain from an act that is seriously prejudicial to him."
>
> As such, it leaves application open to arbitrary interpretation by
> judges, and thus cannot be considered a sound law based on reason or
> objective criteria.
>
> "Under this law, any religious, belief or help community that engages in
> assistance to people in distress or need, risks being criminally
> convicted and shut down."
>
> This legislation will inevitably lead to serious infringement of the
> rights to freedom of association and religion.
>
> 3. This law allows for drastic penalties to be applied that are
> completely unnecessary and disproportionate to the offence committed.
>
> If one or more leaders, or de facto leaders, of a group are convicted
> for two or more penal offences an organization can be dissolved.
> According to the law, a group could be dissolved if a leader of the
> group has been convicted of two minor offences - even in their private
> lives.
>
> This is a violation of the right of freedom of association.
>
> 4. The mandatory use of an expedited trial procedure for all or
> so-called "urgent" cases violates the right to a fair trial.
>
> France has ratified and adopted all these international human rights
> standards and yet the National Assembly has turned a blind eye to each
> of them.
>
> We request that the fundamental right of all French citizens to believe
> and practice the religion or belief of their choice and to associate
> with religious organizations of their choice be fully respected and that
> this request is guaranteed.
>
> We sign to express our strongest disagreement with this legislation and
> call upon the President of the Republic, or the Prime Minister, or 60
> Members of the National Assembly or 60 Members of the Senate to send
> this law to the Constitutional Council for review within the 15 day
> time-limit.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> <signature>
>
> <type your name>
>
> ===========================
>
> <Petition to the UN>
>
> email to: webadmin.hchr@...  <this odd-looking email address is
> correct>
>
> PETITION to
>
> THE UNITED NATIONS HIGH COMMISSIONER ON HUMAN RIGHTS
>
> Please find herewith our Petition.
>
> WHEREAS: The French Senate and National Assembly have passed the
> "About-Picard" bill, empowering the state to disband religious,
> philosophical and ethnic groups;
>
> WHEREAS: The French Constitution requires the state to remain neutral in
> matters of religion;
>
> WHEREAS: The French Constitution guarantees freedom of expression,
> association and belief;
>
> WHEREAS: French Catholic, Protestant, Islamic and Jewish leaders have
> denounced this legislation;
>
> WHEREAS: International human rights organizations have denounced this
> legislation;
>
> WHEREAS: The Council of Europe is investigating the legislation, and
> religious discrimination in France.
>
> THEREFORE:  We respectfully petition that you urge the President of
> France not to sign this bill into law, but to submit it to the
> Constitutional Council for review.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> <type your name>
>
>


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Bonjour à tous,

si vous avez un petit momment libre pendant les vacances, je vous
propose une activité intéressante :

Il s'agirait d'une randonnée pédestre à travers la France et pendant
laquelle nous pourrions profiter du paysage, de la marche, discuter
et philosophes autour de plusieurs themes philosophiques :
métaphysique, morale, spiritualité, etc...
Aussi, nous pourrions entrer en contact avec les gens que nous
rencontrerons et essayer de les convaincre.

Prévoir un sac à dos, un sac de couchage et de bonnes chaussures.

Contactez-moi : healliam@...

SVP, pouvez-vous faire circuler ce message sur d'autres listes pour
m'aider à trouver un partenaire ? Merci !

Hello,

This is Anna Pecheva from Hanlin Academy, a non-profit international
research and educational institute for the study of the
interconnections between Man and Nature, astrology, life science,
alternative medicine, and the frontier sciences.

We are very interested in the work of Nostradamus and are doing a
research on his writings.  We would like to ask the members of this
egroup 2 questions in regard to this:

1.  How do you interprete and understand Centurie 5, quatrain #45 from
the "Centuries" of Nostradamus?

Du pont Exine, et la grand Tartarie,
Un Roi sera qui viendra voir la Gaule,
Transpercera Alane et l'Arménie,
Et dedans Byzance lairra sanglante gaule

	 From beyond the Black Sea and great Tartary,
	 There will be a King who will come to see Gaul,
	 He will pierce through "Alaniä and Armenia,
	 And within Byzantium will he leave his bloody rod.

2. Have you found or has this King from the East been found already?

3. Which researchers on Nostradamus do you recommend as to give the
most objective and profound understanding and interpretation on the
"Centuries"?

Thank you in advance for your reply,

Anna Pecheva,
Hanlin Academy

Hi all,

Don't know who noticed aside from Daniel Caldwell, but the History of
Theosophy website, managed by Brigitte Muehlegger is ofline. Wether she
did this out of financial problems or because she simply did not feel like
continuing is unknown, as she does not answer e-mails anymore either.

I have had the audacity of using the google-snapshot of the web to get the
material she put online on my website. I restyled the whole thing (badly
needed in my opinion) both as far as graphics is concerned and in the way
it is built up, and added some of the material from my Modern Theosophy
website. The result is a brandnew website on Theosophical History. The
title is Eclectic Theosophical History, because the name Theosophical
History is allready taken.

If anyone (for instance Brigitte) minds that I have their material on my
website, I will remove it. If anyone has historical matter to add to the
website, I would be more than happy to publish it.

The URL is:

http://www.geocities.com/ondkh/his/

Love,

Katinka Hesselink

=====
-Those who observe, learn, a whole life long.
-Wie observeert, leert , een heel leven lang.
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http://www.geocities.com/katinka_hesselink/
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Bonjour,

>      De : jeanfrancoisdbe@...
> Je suis nouveau sur la liste. Je m'y suis inscrit pour apprendre à
> connaître la théosophie et discuter sur les divers sujets proposé.
Bon.
> Je vois que l'on y a utilisé le français et l'anglais. Les deux
> langues me conviennent. le néerlandais aussi :-)
Nou zeg. Er is ook een Nederlandse e-mailgroep. (= Il 'y a aussi une
groupe Neerlandais)
www.egroups.nl/group/theosofie-groep/

> Quelques mots pour le présenter.
>
> je souhaiterais réagir au mail relatif à l'Illumination. Quelle langue
> préférez-vous que j'utilise?
Dans ce liste, Francais.
> J'habite la Belgique, près de la frontière française, à la limite
> entre le Borinage et le Haut-Pays.
>
> En vrac, quelques uns de mes intérêts: spirutalité et ésotérisme en
> général. Quelques exemples plus particuliers en vrac: religions, voies
> initiatiques, reiki, tarots, kabbale, académie néo-platonicienne,
> hermétisme, numérologie, pythagorisme...
Bien.

Mon francais n'est pas tres bien, avez de patience avec moi.

Katinka

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Bonjour,

Je suis nouveau sur la liste. Je m'y suis inscrit pour apprendre à
connaître la théosophie et discuter sur les divers sujets proposé.

Je vois que l'on y a utilisé le français et l'anglais. Les deux
langues me conviennent. le néerlandais aussi :-)

Quelques mots pour le présenter.

je souhaiterais réagir au mail relatif à l'Illumination. Quelle langue
préférez-vous que j'utilise?a

J'habite la Belgique, près de la frontière française, à la limite
entre le Borinage et le Haut-Pays.

En vrac, quelques uns de mes intérêts: spirutalité et ésotérisme en
général. Quelques exemples plus particuliers en vrac: religions, voies
initiatiques, reiki, tarots, kabbale, académie néo-platonicienne,
hermétisme, numérologie, pythagorisme...

Si vous avez des questions...

Cordialement.

Jean-Franç

Hi all,

As some of you perhaps know, my website has been steadily growing over the
past year. A few days ago I added a new feature, a "pick a quote" section
with quotes from Krishnamurti, Sri Ram (theosophist), Cayce, Seneca and
Sufi and Zen-masters.
The URL is:

http://www.geocities.com/katinka_hesselink/squote/

Best wishes,
katinka

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One of the dutch sites on zen-boeddhism set me thinking today. I wonder
what you all think of the following question:

What is enlightenment to you? How do you picture enlightenment and
perhaps: How would your life be different if you were enlightened, do you
think?

katinka

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Hi all,

Many of you probably know AvatarSearch, the search-engine for new-age and
alternative websites. Some parts of my own website receive most visitors
from this search-engine. It is in financial trouble. It suggests a few
ways in which the online community can help it on the following URL:

http://www.AvatarSearch.com/MemberSupport/

Katinka
--- AvatarSearch <invitation@...> wrote:
> Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2001 02:28:09 -0500
> From: "AvatarSearch" <invitation@...>
> To: websites@...
> Subject: AvatarSearch in danger of closing...
> Reply-to: websites@...
>
> A Warm Greetings from AvatarSearch!
>
> I am writing you because you may not be aware that AvatarSearch is
> experiencing some serious financial problems which may lead to its
> closing.
>
> The reasons for this are complex, and I would like refer you to the
> following web page:http://www.AvatarSearch.com/MemberSupport/

for a full
> explanation of why we may close soon.
>
>
> AN INVITATION AND CALL FOR ACTION:
>
> We have recently discovered that the problems which we are now facing
> are common among many of the web sites within the Mystical Community.
> Part of the reason is simply a lack of financial support by those who
> use the information and service which sites such as your's provides.
>
> As an outcome of talking with several community webcrafters, an idea was
> introduced to attempt to make our users aware that our services are
> fragile and could otherwise disappear through user neglect or apathy.
>
> I would like to invite you to join us and other community based web
> sites in a discussion to address this problem.  For those interested
> please go to
> http://www.tantricconnections.com/mailman/listinfo/community-action

and
> scroll down to the subscription section. Simply follow the directions to
> subscribe to the list.
>
> There is no cost for doing so, and your participation will be greatly
> appreciated.
>
>
> I am including a letter below which was recently sent to many community
> web sites by the Webmaster of Witch/Pagan Resources.  I think that it
> clearly describes the difficulty we are all facing, and the exact nature
> of the discussions which will take place.
>
>
> Thank you and we greatly appreciate your active involvement within our
> community by providing critical information to community members and the
> public in general.
>
>
> Finally, we have received so many letter regarding our recent dilemma
> that I am utterly overwhelmed and am unable to respond to any questions
> or comments that you may have.  (I am so very sorry for this, but it is
> simply to much for one person to keep up with.)
>
>
> Many many blessings,
>
> Tina Coutu, Founder
> AvatarSearch
>
>
>
> A LETTER TO THE COMMUNITY BY WITCH/PAGAN RESOURCES:
>
>
> Pagan & Mystical Resources Black Out Day.
>
> It's purpose would be to make people in the community aware that this is
> what would happen if things continue the way they have. (Not a black out
> in the sense that paid services would need to suffer, but just that the
> free services would be unavailable for one day.)
>
> With the recent announcement that Avatar Search is in financial trouble,
> and the effects might shut it down, it has become apparent that
> something must be done in order to grab the attention of the online
> community.
>
> Face it; we are dealing with a community that is unwilling to support
> the resources that they use on a daily basis. We, the pagan webmasters,
> invest time, money and effort in order to maintain some of the best
> resources available for our community and receive little or no support
> for doing so.
>
> Most of us are running Amazon.com book sections, Cafepress clothing
> sections and various other sections in an effort to recoup the costs of
> running our servers. If most of you are like me, the actual financial
> gain is far less that what we are putting out to keep our sites running.
>
>
> I did not get into this to make tons of money, but I also did not get
> into this in order to have my own personal finances leeched away at a
> steady burn rate that I can not supplement because my own community
> members are either too cheap or do not care to keep the resources alive
> that they have not only used, but demanded be expanded.
>
> My proposal is that we, the pagan webmasters, choose a day and shut all
> the sites down for twenty-four hours. We display black pages with an
> explanation of why the resources are offline so the end users are made
> aware of what is going on. We show the end users that unless they start
> to support the resources they use, say they need and at times abuse,
> they could all just simply disappear as each of us gives up, go bankrupt
> or runs out of money.
>
> I know that I will not get a 100% of you backing this suggestion, but if
> you are a webmaster that is paying monthly costs, paying costs out of
> your own pocket, and you would like your own community to step forward
> and show some real support, it would be in your best interest to assist
> with the support of this project.
>
> To date we have some of the major domain sites agreeing to participate,
> so now we need to get as many as possible to assist.
>
> How long must we pay for others to continue to have access to material
> that we slave over gathering, coding and supporting while the end users
> continue to demand more?
>
> When do we put our foot down and make them aware that there are actual
> people paying for the resources that they so easily access for free?
>
> Webmaster
> Witch/Pagan Resources
> http://www.pagansunite.com/
>
>


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Hi all,

We have been discussing (on theos-l) emtiness, the all, space and illusion
in various ways. There has been some discussion on what HPB's thoughts on
this were. I think the following quotes are relevant.

Katinka

----------------
Secret Doctrine 1, p. 130

... in occult metaphysics there are, properly speaking, two "ones" - the
One on the unreachable plane of Absolute-ness and Infinity, on which no
speculation is possible, and the Second "One" on the plane of Emanations.
The former can neither emanate nor be divided, as it is eternal, absolute,
and immutable. The Second, being, so to speak, the reflection of the first
One (for it is the Logos, or Isvara, in the Universe of Illusion), can do
all this.
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H.P. Blavatsky Collected Writings, III, p. 423

The Buddhists, on the other hand, deny either subjective or objective
reality even to that one Self-Existence. Buddha declares that there is
neither Creator nor an ABSOLUTE Being. Buddhist rationalism was ever too
alive to the insuperable difficulty of admitting one absolute
consciousness, as in the words of Flint - "wherever there is consciousness
there is relation, and wherever there is relation there is dualism." The
ONE LIFE is either "MUKTA" (absolute and unconditioned) and can have no
relation to anything or to any one; or it is "BADDHA" (bound and
conditioned), and then it cannot be called the ABSOLUTE; the limitation,
moreover, necessitating another deity as powerful as the first to account
for all the evil in this world. Hence, the Arahat secret doctrine on
cosmogony admits but of one absolute, indestructible, eternal, and
uncreated UNCONSCIOUSNESS (so to translate), of an element (the word being
used for want of a better term) absolutely independent of everything else
in the universe; a something ever present or ubiquitous, a Presence which
ever was, is, and will be, whether there is a God, gods or none; whether
there is a universe or no universe; existing during the eternal cycles of
Maha Yugas, during the Pralayas as during the periods of Manvantara: and
this is SPACE, the field for the operation of the eternal Forces and
natural Law, the basis (as our correspondent rightly calls it) upon which
take place the eternal intercorrelations of Akasa-Prakriti, guided by the
unconscious regular pulsations of Sakti - the breath or power of a
conscious deity, the theists would say - the eternal energy of an eternal,
unconscious Law, say the Buddhists. Space then, or Fan Bar-Nang
(Maha-Sunyata) or, as it is called by Lao-Tze, the "Emptiness" is the
nature of the Buddhist Absolute.
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The first letter of K.H. to A.O. Hume, p. 32 combined chronology for use
with the Mahatma Letters and The letters of H.P. Blavatsky to A.P. Sinnett

Cosmic energy is something eternal and incessant, matter is
indestructible, and there stand the scientific facts. Doubt them and you
are an ignoramus; deny them, a dangerous lunatic, a bigot; pretend to
improve upon the theories - an impertinent charlatan. And yet even these
scientific facts never suggested any proof to the world of experimenters,
that nature consciously prefers that matter should be indestructible under
organic rather than inorganic forms; and that she works slowly but
incessantly towards the realisation of this object - the evolution of
conscious life out of inert material. Hence their ignorance about the
scattering and concretion of cosmic energy in its metaphysical aspects;
their division about Darwin's theories; their uncertainty about the degree
of conscious life in separate elements; and, as a necessity, the scornful
rejection of every phenomenon outside their own stated conditions and the
very idea of worlds of semi-intelligent if not intellectual forces at work
in hidden corners of nature.
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Coll. Wr. Vol. III, p.63

True pantheists do not say that everything is God -"... "but that God is
in everything and the whole in God.
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Secret Doctrine 1, pp 277,78 from 'Two books of the stanza's of Dzyan'

what is called "unconscious nature" is in reality an aggregate of forces
manipulated by semi-intelligent beings (elementals) guided by High
Planetary Spirits (Dhyani Chohans), whose collective aggregate forms the
manifested verbum of the unmanifested Logos, and constitutes at one and
the same time the mind of the Universe and its immutable law.
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Secret Doctrine 1, pp 15 from 'Two books of the stanza's of Dzyan'

The one reality, the Absolute is the field of absolute consciousness,
i.e., that Essence which is out of all relation to conditioned existence,
and of which conscious existence is a conditioned symbol. But once that we
pass in thought from this (to us) absolute negation, duality supervenes in
contrast of spirit (or consciousness) and matter, subject and object.

... it is only through a vehicle of matter that consciousness wells up as
"I am I", a physical basis being necessary to focus a ray of the universal
mind at a certain stage of complexity.

... The 'manifested universe', therefore, is pervaded by duality, which is
as it were the very essence of its existence as 'manifestation'. But just
as the opposite poles of subject and object, spirit and matter, are but
aspects of the one unity in which they are synthesised, so, in the
manifested universe, there is 'that' which links spirit to matter, subject
to object.

This something, at present unknown to Western speculation, is called by
the occultists Fohat.
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Coll. Wr. XI, p. 277-78

God ... Is Nothing , without name and without qualities; it is for this
reason that it is called Ain-Soph, for the word Ain means nothing.

It is not this immutable and absolute Principle, which is only the
potentiality of being, from which the gods, or active principles of the
manifested world, emanate. As the absolute has no relation to the
conditioned and the limited, and could not possibly have any, that from
which the emanations proceed is the "God that speaks" of Basilides, i.e.,
the logos which Philo calls "the second God" and the Creator of forms.
"The second God is the Wisdom of the One God" (Quaestion. et Solut., Book
II, 62). "But this logos, this 'Wisdom' is an emanation nevertheless?"
will be the objection. "And to make anything emanate from Nothing is an
absurdity!" Not at all. First, this "nothing" is so because it is the
absolute, consequently the All. Then this "second God" is no more an
emanation than the shadow our body casts on a white wall is an emanation
of that body. In any case, the God is not the effect of a cause or of a
premeditated act, or a deliberate and conscious will. It is merely the
periodical effect of an immutable and eternal law, beyond time and space,
of which the logos or creative intelligence is the shadow or reflection.
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Esoteric Writings, T. Subba Row, p. 482, fn.

[We] think of "spirit" as of something formless and entirely beyond the
ken of our sensual perceptions, and, therefore, not to be considered apart
from, or independently of, corporeal existence. Universal Existence and
the One Life, as we call it, conceived of, and apart from any physical
organisation, becomes vital essence, an energy of force; and none of these
we believe can be considered as a distinct entity, a substance, or, as
having a being or even a form separate from matter.
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Esoteric Writings, T. Subba Row, p. 482, fn.

Every true Advaitin and Eastern Occultist ... would [say] that "matter
alone is a substance, in which thinking, knowing, doubting, and a power of
moving, are inherent, whether as a latent or active potentiality - and
whether that matter is in a differentiated, or an undifferentiated state."

Thus, in our humble opinion, the something, or rather the no-thing, called
Spirit, has by itself, no form or forms in either progressive or
stationary "states of development"

...

Can a void be annihilated? And what is pure, absolute , spirit but the
"void" of the ancient Greek philosophers?

...

In the light we, Occultists, regard matter, we are materialists. But it
does not at all stand to reason that, because of that, we should be, at
the same time, "corporealists," denying in any sense or way the reality of
the so-called spiritual existence, or of any being or beings, living on
another plane of life, in higher and far more perfect worlds than ours,
having their being in states of which no untrained mind can have the
smallest conception.

...

According to the doctrines of the Arhat philosophy there are seven states
of matter, the 7th state being the sum total, the condition or aspect of
Mulaprakriti.

...

Undifferentiated cosmic matter or Mulaprakriti, as it is called in Hindu
books is uncreated and eternal.

...

In every objective phenomenon perceived, either in the present plane of
consciousness or in any other plane requiring the exercise of spiritual
faculties, there is but change of cosmic matter from one form to another.


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Mon frere et moi avoir le question que Rudolf Steiner a ecrire quelque
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Allo Barbara,
Tu n'est pas le seul membre ici qui parle francais mauvais. J'espere qe
les vraimant Francais vais venir a ce lis aussi.
Je suis la secretaire de Groningen Lodge (a Neerlandais, TS-Adyar). Nous
avons seulement le membres Hollandais. Nous vont exerce le Francais. ;-)

Bon Jour,
katinka
>      De : "BARBARA & BILL REIFF" <barbara@...>
>  Subjet :
>
> Allo,
> Je lis francais, mais je parle francis tres mauvais. Mon frere parle,
> ecrire and lis francais tres bien. Je suis la secretaire de West Houston
> Theosophical Study Center. Nous avons beaucoup de personnes
> nationalites, Pakistan, Columbian, Indian, American etc. J'envoie lire
> franciais.
> Namaste,
> Barbara Reiff


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