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Azul fell-awen,

Amar Mezdad amyaru ameqqran n Teqbaylit yesexddam yiwet n tutlayt d tamarkanit .

At'as n wawalen iqdimen n Teqbaylit imi id-yerra tarwih't .

« [TitÌ£Ì£] Î"as tedderÎ³el metwal azagur, ur tettwali ara ayen yellan Î³er deffir, tufa tamezÌ£zuÎ³t d lwali, d tasalelt-ines, kra is yeffren ad as-t-id-awi ». ( Tagrest urghu udem 55)

Dagi anamek n wawal agi : tamâiwent. Nekkini d wagi kan isnnegh.

Asalel :Etai , soutien.

Tasalet : Etai ,piquet.

Tasalet d tÎ³awsa isexdamen imesdurar, d ifelahÌ£enÌ£ di tmeddurt n yal nwas.

Dagi amyaru yesshrew anamek n wawal agi :Yefka-yas lmeâna takmamt , tin id-yettilin di lbal n wumdan.

Tasalet yekkad seg u zÌ£ar all.

All d amyag ( yettal, yull, tullin.) . Lmeâna ines : âiwen =aider.

Ayt Menguellat qqaren-t . Yull-ed baba-s si Fransa = de France, il vient en aide à son père.

Ar tikelt nnid'en ma yebgha R'ebbi

#374

De: "y_atziri" <y_atziri@...>
Date: Vendredi 1. Septembre 2006 17:42
Sujet: Awal Tasalelt

y_atziri

Amar Mezdad amyaru ameqqran n Teqbaylit yesexddam yiwet n tutlayt d tamarkanit .

At'as n wawalen iqdimen n Teqbaylit imi id-yerra tarwih't .

« [Tit'] Ghas tedderghel metwal azagur, ur tettwali ara ayen yellan gher deffir, tufa tamez'zught d lwali, d tasalelt-ines, kra is yeffren ad as-t-id-awi ». ( Tagrest urghu udem 55)

Dagi anamek n wawal agi : tamâiwent. Nekkini d wagi kan isnnegh.

Asalel :Etai , soutien.

Tasalelt : Etai ,piquet

Tasalelt d tghawsa isexdamen imesdurar, d ifelahÌ£enÌ£ di tmeddurt n yal nwas.

Dagi amyaru yesshrew anamek n wawal agi. Yefka-yas lmeâna takmamt , tin id-yettilin di lbal n wumdan.

Tasalelt yekkad seg u zÌ£ar all.

All d amyag ( yettal, yull, tullin.) . Lmeâna ines : âiwen =aider.

Ayt Menguellat qqaren-t . Yull-ed baba-s si Fransa = de France, il vient en aide à son père.

#375

De: Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@...>
Date: Vendredi 1. Septembre 2006 20:19
Sujet: Re: Awal Tasalelt

amastan_00

Tameddit tamerbuḥt fell-awen,

Awal "tasalelt" nesseqdac-it ula d nekni, mazal-it "yedder" ciṭṭaḥ (maci aṭas)

Tasalelt, akk-n d-tenniḍ a gma Yidir, yekka-d seg wemyag "all" (< alel).

Tasalelt, deg Yiwaḍiyen d asγar ay as-ttarran i kra n ufurk n useklu (ṭṭejra) akk-n ur d-ikennu ara neγ ur d-yettruẓu ara. Semman-as "tasalelt" imi ay yettalel (tettεawan) afurk-nni. "Tasalelt" d isem n wallal (instrument) : s + alel = tasalelt.

"All", yewwi-iyi-d Ṛebbi yif-it ma nura-t "alel", acku d wa ara t-yesqerben γer usenti-ines (laṣ̣el). Amyag-a yesεa talγa n "aR1eR2" (R = targalt-consonne), am "aweḍ d awey - awi deg tmaziγt n Waṭlas", imyagen-a sεan ismawen n tigawt (noms d'action) s talγa-a : aR1R1aR2 :

aweḍ >>> awwaḍ

awey >>> awway

alel >>> tallalt (lemεawna)

Kra deg-sen seεεun talγa n aR1R1uR2 :

afeg >>> affug

ames >>> ammus

Dγa, a win yufan, tura mi akk-a ara nqeddec i wakk-n ad nessizeγ (standardiser) u ad neslugen (régulariser) tira n tutlayt-nneγ, yessefk ad nettaru am wakk-a :

Yulel baba-s (maci "yull baba-s", γas ma yella deg wenṭaq, nezmer ad nkemmel ad d-nneṭṭeq am zik).

Amyag "alel" d yiwen seg yimyagen imaziγen n llsas ara iteddun akk-n ad negren deg teqbaylit n wass-a (yeqqel-d deg wemkan-is "εiwen" neγ "εin").

Ar timlilit ma yexs Yuc Ameqran

Čč Ḍḍ Ğğ Ḥḥ Γγ

Ṛ ṛ Ṣ ṣ̣ Ṭ̣ṭ Ẓ ẓ Σ ε

y_atziri <y_atziri@...> wrote:

Amar Mezdad amyaru ameqqran n Teqbaylit yesexddam yiwet n tutlayt d tamarkanit .

At'as n wawalen iqdimen n Teqbaylit imi id-yerra tarwih't .

« [Tit'] Ghas tedderghel metwal azagur, ur tettwali ara ayen yellan gher deffir, tufa tamez'zught d lwali, d tasalelt-ines, kra is yeffren ad as-t-id-awi ». ( Tagrest urghu udem 55)

Dagi anamek n wawal agi : tamâiwent. Nekkini d wagi kan isnnegh.

Asalel :Etai , soutien.

 Tasalelt : Etai ,piquet

Tasalelt d tghawsa isexdamen imesdurar, d ifelahÌ£enÌ£ di tmeddurt n yal nwas.

Dagi amyaru yesshrew anamek n wawal agi. Yefka-yas lmeâna takmamt , tin id-yettilin di lbal n wumdan.

Tasalelt yekkad seg u zÌ£ar all.

All d amyag ( yettal, yull, tullin.) . Lmeâna ines : âiwen =aider.

Ayt Menguellat qqaren-t . Yull-ed baba-s si Fransa = de France, il vient en aide à son père.

 

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#376

De: omar derouich <ulusir60@...>
Date: Vendredi 1. Septembre 2006 20:36
Sujet: RE : Awal Tasalelt

ulusir60

Azul,

All di tmazight n Wat'las Ameqwran ugmid'(oriental) ghures anamek n "Pleurer"; amedya: Da yalla urba. (le garçon pleure); tulla ghef memmis. (elle a pleuré son fils.)

Deg Wat'las Ameqwran utrim (occidental), illa unamek amezwaru akw d wayed' wiss sin; All ittnumuk (signifie) "Lever" negh "Relever", imedyaten:

Allat ifassen! (Levez les mains!)

Ar ittalla umekraz iggutta n yiger-nnes. (le cultivateur relève les bordures de son champ.)

Ted'ra-yas taktert, lah' mad as-tt-yullan! (sa charge lui est tombé, personne ne la lui a levée!)

Ur ttettugh anamek n "aider" illan g tmazight-a maca illa yiwen wawal ittnumuken aya, iga-t AWES (aider). Amedya: Is da ttawsem igellinen? (est-ce que vous aidez les pauvres?)

y_atziri <y_atziri@...> a écrit :

Amar Mezdad amyaru ameqqran n Teqbaylit yesexddam yiwet n tutlayt d tamarkanit .

At'as n wawalen iqdimen n Teqbaylit imi id-yerra tarwih't .

« [Tit'] Ghas tedderghel metwal azagur, ur tettwali ara ayen yellan gher deffir, tufa tamez'zught d lwali, d tasalelt-ines, kra is yeffren ad as-t-id-awi ». ( Tagrest urghu udem 55)

Dagi anamek n wawal agi : tamâiwent. Nekkini d wagi kan isnnegh.

Asalel :Etai , soutien.

 Tasalelt : Etai ,piquet

Tasalelt d tghawsa isexdamen imesdurar, d ifelahÌ£enÌ£ di tmeddurt n yal nwas.

Dagi amyaru yesshrew anamek n wawal agi. Yefka-yas lmeâna takmamt , tin id-yettilin di lbal n wumdan.

Tasalelt yekkad seg u zÌ£ar all.

All d amyag ( yettal, yull, tullin.) . Lmeâna ines : âiwen =aider.

Ayt Menguellat qqaren-t . Yull-ed baba-s si Fransa = de France, il vient en aide à son père.

 

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#377

De: "y_atziri" <y_atziri@...>
Date: Samedi 2. Septembre 2006 10:27
Sujet: tigherghert

y_atziri

Slam n R'ebbi fell-awen,

Awal agi ur tessinegh ara . D awal n Teqbaylit taqdimt (?)

Ulac-it deg umawal n Dallet.

"Ibda amured yerna ikker ghef tqejjir'in-is di lawan. Ulac amd'diq ittadjda di tgherghert" .

Ghef wakken i t-fehmagh di tewsit agi awal agi yebgha ad yini : leqaâa, taqaâett (sol )

Ar tikelt nnid'en ma yebgha R'ebbi

#378

De: Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@...>
Date: Samedi 2. Septembre 2006 20:59
Sujet: Re: tigherghert

amastan_00

Azul fell-awen,

D tidet a Yidir, awal-a anamek-is "agens", "tamurt-nni/tagnit-nni n wexxam" anda ay teddun medden deg wexxam, anda ay d-tessun usu-nsen ad gnen, atg. Axxam n Leqbayel deg-s tlata yimuren s umata : agens n wexxam, addaynin (anda ay gganen lmal akk d tkanna (taârict), anda ay tteffren kra n tghawsiwin.

Ar timlilit ma yexs Yuc Ameqran

atziri <y_atziri@...> wrote:

Slam n R'ebbi fell-awen,

Awal agi ur tessinegh ara . D awal n Teqbaylit taqdimt (?)

Ulac-it deg umawal n Dallet.

"Ibda amured yerna ikker ghef tqejjir'in-is di lawan. Ulac amd'diq ittadjda di tgherghert" .

Ghef wakken i t-fehmagh di tewsit agi awal agi yebgha ad yini : leqaâa, taqaâett (sol )
Ar tikelt nnid'en ma yebgha R'ebbi

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#379

De: omar derouich <ulusir60@...>
Date: Dimanche 3. Septembre 2006 9:40
Sujet: RE : tigherghert

ulusir60

Azul,

Acu-tt teqbaylit taqdimt?

Amek tella?

Ini-yagh-d kra fellas ad nisin acu n bet't'u illan garas akw d teqbaylit tamaynut!

Ighergher di tmazight n tniri (sahara) ittnumuk ANRAR negh Annar.

y_atziri <y_atziri@...> a écrit :

Slam n R'ebbi fell-awen,

Awal agi ur tessinegh ara . D awal n Teqbaylit taqdimt (?)

Ulac-it deg umawal n Dallet.

"Ibda amured yerna ikker ghef tqejjir'in-is di lawan. Ulac amd'diq ittadjda di tgherghert" .

Ghef wakken i t-fehmagh di tewsit agi awal agi yebgha ad yini : leqaâa, taqaâett (sol )
Ar tikelt nnid'en ma yebgha R'ebbi

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#380

De: "y_atziri" <y_atziri@...>
Date: Dimanche 3. Septembre 2006 16:59
Sujet: Istules , isulles

y_atziri

Azul fell-awen,

Smaïl ifka-d amyag istules : istules wemkan . Anamek ines, Am akken id nenna, d amakan igi llant tillas negh win igi txus' tafat.

Dacu yella wemyag nniden imggarad cwit' ghef winna id yefka Smaïl : ssules.

" Teâna tama n ddekkan yessullsen, tessa yas kra n wakal azegza" ( Rabdi-Loundja yellis n tamz'a)"

Ar tikelt nnide'n ma yebgha R'ebbi.

#381

De: Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@...>
Date: Dimanche 3. Septembre 2006 21:05
Sujet: Re: Istules , isulles

amastan_00

Azul fell-awen,

Ahat "ssulles" d yiwen-is akk d "stulles" deg unamek n "lexs'as' n tafat". Ahat d tamsertit kan (assimilation) ay d-yellan da : [s] + [t] = [ss].

Ar timlilit ma yexs Yuc Ameqran

y_atziri <y_atziri@...> wrote:

Azul fell-awen,



Smaïl ifka-d amyag istules : istules wemkan . Anamek ines, Am akken id nenna, d amakan igi llant tillas negh win igi txus' tafat.

Dacu yella wemyag nniden imggarad cwit' ghef winna id yefka Smaïl : ssules.

 

" Teâna tama n ddekkan yessullsen, tessa yas kra n wakal azegza" ( Rabdi-Loundja yellis n tamz'a)"




Ar tikelt nnide'n ma yebgha R'ebbi.

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#382

De: Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@...>
Date: Lundi 4. Septembre 2006 17:22
Sujet: Stulles d ssulles, ssefk d stefk

amastan_00

Tameddit tamerbuḥt fell-awen,

Akk-n d-nniγ tikkelt-nni yezrin (iεeddan), "ssulles" yezmer ad yili d talγa (forme) niḍen n "stulles", ay deg [s] + [t] yefka-d [s] ussid (tendu "ss").

D acu kan, tella yiwet n tegnit yeḥwağen ad tt-nqaren γer ta :

Amyag "ssefk" anamek-is "laq" deg teklamin n teqbaylit iqerben γer wedrar n Ğeṛğeṛ. Deg tama n Yiwaḍiyen sseqdacen aṭas "laq" : ilaq ad tṛuḥeḍ γer ṭṭbib (yessefk ad tṛuḥeḍ s amejjay). D acu kan, timγarin ssnent daγen amyag "stefk", γas ma yella ur t-sseqdacent ara aṭas ass-a.

Ihi, deg teqbaylit llant snat n talγiwin : "ssefk" d "stefk", maca anta deg-sent ay iṣ̣eḥḥan ? Anta deg-sent ay yellan d taqburt ?

Amyag "ssefk" iban dakk-n yettussuddem-d seg wemyag "efk" (ssefk d talγa tasswaγt -forme factitive- n "efk). Neẓra dakk-n deg tmaziγt, talγa tasswaγt nessuddum-itt-id s tmerniwt n wezwir (préfixe) "s" γer wemyag aḥerfi (simple) :

S + kcem = ssekcem

Ihi, d ay-n ibanen dakk-n d "ssefk" d netta ay d aqbur (aqdim), imi d netta ay yettqadaren talγa (forme) n llsas n wemyag asswaγ (factitif).

Talγa neγ tasenfelt (variante) n "stefk" ad tili tennulfa-d kan deg tama-a n Yiwaḍiyen. Lemmer ad as-nekkes "s" n talγa tasswaγt, ad aγ-d-yegri wemyag "tefk" (wagi ur yesεi ara anamek).

Amyag "ssefk" d yiwen seg yemyagen yettbeddilen seg teklamt (parler) γer tayeḍ deg teqbaylit, u seg tentala tamaziγt γer tayeḍ, deg Tmazγa.

Gma-tneγ Σumaṛ Derwic yesseqdac deg yeḍrisen-is tanfalit "iqqen-aγ-nn" (yeqqen-aγ-n"). Ur ssineγ ara ad selḍeγ dima tinfalyin (expressions) n tentalyin ur ssineγ ara, am tmaziγt n Waṭlas, d acu kan, γef wakk-n nettwali, tanfalit-a tekka-d seg wemyag "qqen" (deg wudem wis tlata n wasuf amalay - netta) + "aγ" (amqim asemmad arusrid - pronom complélement d'objet indirect) + "n" (ahat d tazelγa n tnila, am mi ara d-nini "yusa-n" - yemgerrad γef "yusa-d").

Ihi, deg tmaziγt n Waṭlas, mi ara d-nini "yeqqen-aγ-n" (yessefk, ilaq), amzun "nettwaqqen akk-n ad neg taγawsa-nni".

Deg yiwet n tama n Tmurt n Leqbayel (ur ẓriγ ara anda), sseqdacen yiwet n tenfalit (expression), ahat ass-a tenger, qqaren-d "tuzen-d". Γef umedya : tuzen-d ad d-tekkseḍ tuγmest-nni, anamek-is "yessefk ad tt-id-tekkseḍ". Da, d amyag "azen" (ceyyeε) ay nesseqdec. Mi ara d-nini "tuzen-d" (deg wudem wis tlata n wasuf unti - nettat), amzun neqsed-d "tuzen-d tegnit -situation-, tceyyeε-d tegnit akk-n ad neg ay-a d way-a).

Deg tibawt (négation), neqqar-d "ur yessefk ara/ur ilaq ara", maca tibawt n tenfalit-nni taneggarut d ta : "ur d-tuzen ara". Γef umedya : "Ur d-tuzen ara ad teṭṭseḍ i usemmiḍ". Dagi yella wugur. "Azen" d amyag yesεan talγa (forme) n "aR1eR2" (am "afeg" d "ames"). Deg tibawt, deg wudem wis tlata n wasuf (netta/nettat), tteqqel talγa-ines : yuR1iR2 :

Afeg >>>>> ur yufig (yuR1iR2)

Ames >>>> ur yumis (yuR1iR2)

Azen >>>> ur yuzin (yuR1iR2)

D acu kan, deg tenfalit-nni, ur d-neqqar ara "ur d-tuzin ara", wanag "ur d-tuzen ara". Ahat, talγa n wemyag "azen" tbeddel akk d lweqt γer wayt tama-a yernu qqlen ur sseqdacen ara amyag "azen" deg tudert-nsen n yal ass. Yuγ lḥal, tikkwal, mi ara ğğen medden kra n wawal, u ad yeqqim wawal-nni yedder kan deg kra n tenfalit (expression), medden zemren ad szelgen anṭaq n wawal-nni.

Ar timlilit ma yexs Yuc Ameqran

Čč Ḍḍ Ğğ Ḥḥ Γγ

Ṛ ṛ Ṣ ṣ̣ Ṭ̣ṭ Ẓ ẓ Σ ε

Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@...> wrote:

Azul fell-awen,

Ahat "ssulles" d yiwen-is akk d "stulles" deg unamek n "lexs'as' n tafat". Ahat d tamsertit kan (assimilation) ay d-yellan da : [s] + [t] = [ss].

Ar timlilit ma yexs Yuc Ameqran

y_atziri <y_atziri@...> wrote:

Azul fell-awen,



Smaïl ifka-d amyag istules : istules wemkan . Anamek ines, Am akken id nenna, d amakan igi llant tillas negh win igi txus' tafat.

Dacu yella wemyag nniden imggarad cwit' ghef winna id yefka Smaïl : ssules.

 

" Teâna tama n ddekkan yessullsen, tessa yas kra n wakal azegza" ( Rabdi-Loundja yellis n tamz'a)"




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#383

De: Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@...>
Date: Lundi 4. Septembre 2006 18:18
Sujet: Inumak n "stulles"

amastan_00

Sslam n Ṛebbi fell-awen,

Nekni γer-neγ "stulles" anamek-is "εmu s tafat". Mi ara d-nini "yestulles-iyi yiṭij", anamek-is "tewwet-d tafat-is γer-i", "ur iyi-yeğğu ara ad waliγ". "Testulles-it tafat-nni n tkeṛṛust" (tewwet-d s allen-is, ur t-teğği ara ad iwali abrid) (Eblouir).

I kenwi, amek ay as-teqqarem i wemyag-a deg tmiwa-nwen ?

Neqqar diγ "ttulles" (être ébloui) : ttwaεmu s tafat. "Ttullseγ seg tafat n yiṭij". "Ttullsent wallen-iw, mi kecmeγ s axxam, la ttwaliγ kullec d ṭṭlam".

Ihi, ulac ccek dakk-n awal-a yekka-d seg wawal "tillas" (aẓar : LS).

Yella yiwen n gma-tneγ, ur cfiγ ara γef yisem-is, yenna-iyi-d dakk-n awal "tallest" ad yili yekka-d seg yiwen n uẓar netta d "tili". Ahat, deg tmaziγt taqburt (taqdimt), awal "tili" yekka-d seg uẓar "LS", yernu Imaziγen n zik ad ilin llan la d-qqaren "*tilist" (=tillas), maca ay-a yettγimi-d kan d tamuγli.

Deg tama n Weqbil (Σin Lḥemmam, Tizi Wezzu), mazal sseqdacen awal "tillas" (akk-n d-nniγ tikkelt-nni yezrin), yernu asuf-is (singulier) γer-sen netta d "tallest". Yuγ lḥal, γer-sen nitni, "tallest" yesεa sin n yinumak (lemεani) : 1- d ṭṭlam. 2- d lawan-nni n yiḍ, n tlemmast n yiḍ anda ay d-iγelli ṭṭlam-nni aberkan, ay deg ur tezmireḍ ad tfeṛzeḍ acemma. Lawan-nni ibeddu-d seg tizi n ttnac (12) n yiḍ alamma qrib d tafejrit -mi ara tebdu tettban-d tafat tamenzut n tfejrit. Ihi, "tallest" (asg. tillas) d lawan-nni n yiḍ anda ay d-iγelli ṭṭlam aderγal (lawan-nni yesεa isem ula s taεṛabt, ma ur cciḍeγ ara qqaren-as "al-εatama"). Deg Weqbil qqaren-d "temdel tallest", anamek-is "yeγli-d ṭṭlam-nni ay deg ur tettwaliḍ acemma.

D acu kan, awal "tallest" yesεa anamek niḍen, yemgerraden akk γef win n wawal-agi ay d-nessefhem sufella. "Tallest" anamek-is diγ "taqcict". Awal-a yekka-d seg ufeggag (radical) "yell" (yelli, yelli-s, atg.), dγa d "yelli-s" ay d-yefkan "tallest". Ahat awal "yelli" s timmad-is ("yell" s tmaceγt) ad yili yekka-d seg wemyag "li" neγ "el" s tmaceγt, u anamek-is, akk-n t-id-nessefhem tikkelt yezrin, "sεu", dγa "yelli" anamek-is deg laṣ̣el "tin sεiγ", "tin liγ", tin yellan d ayla-w). Awal "tallest" ur yettusseqdac ara aṭas deg teqbaylit, maca ssneγ yiwen wanzi, ttawin-t-id am usefru :

Ḥadret win iḥeqqren tallest

Γas akk-n mi ay d-tettlala

Ḥedṛeγ mi tεedda Tceεlalt

Nettat teqḍa-d, nekk ala

Anzi-a yesεa tamεayt, ad awin-tt-id ssiwleγ sya ar sdat ncalleh.

Daγen nesseqdac awal :

Butellis (yettwanṭaq [vutellis] s [t] aggaγ -occulusif) : gma-tneγ Yidir yenna-d dakk-n wagi d yiwet n waḍḍan ay d-yettafken tidderγelt. Γer-neγ neqqar "butellis n yiyuzaḍ", d yiwen waḍḍan ay ttaḍnent tyuzaḍ, γas ad twaliḍ allen-nsent ldint, nitenti ur ttwalin ara, anamek-is aḍḍan-a yesderγil-itent. Ahat, ula d nekni, deg laṣ̣el, nella nesseqdac awal-a n butellis i kra n waḍḍan ay ttaḍnen yimdanen, ladγa imi, win akk-n ay ttaḍnen yiyuzaḍ ur as-neqqar ara "butellis" kan, wanag nrennu-as "n yiyuzaḍ".

Neqqar daγen :

Tillus (s [t] aggaγ -occlusif) : wagi daγen d aḍḍan, ttaḍnen-t yimdanen, maca ur ẓriγ ara amek ay as-qqaren s tefṛensist. Γef leḥsab n temγart ay steqsaγ, tenna-iyi-d dakk-n aḍḍan n "tillus" ttaḍnen-t medden, maca ḥellun/ttejjin seg-s. Qqaren-t zik temγarin : ad ak-yefk Ṛebbi tillus. Win ara yaḍnen tillus-a, ad yeqqel ur yettwali ara.

Deg tgara, yella yiwen wawal ay d-yettussuddmen seg uẓar-agi n "LS" (n "tillas"), d acu kan, ibeddel akk d lweqt :

Tella yiwet n tenfalit (expression) : ṭṭlam ḥillus.

Yuγ lḥal, ulac ccek dakk-n awal-a n "ḥillus" ad yili yekka-d seg wawal "tillus" (isem n waḍḍan-nni). "Ṭ̣ṭlam ḥillus" d ṭṭlam-nni aberkan, aderγal ay deg ur tezmireḍ ad twaliḍ acemma. Nniγ-awen-d dakk-n tikkwal, mi ara yeqqel wawal ur t-sseqdacen ara yal ass, yezmer ad yezleg (ad yeεwej) wenṭaq n wawal-nni, u deg tegnit-a, nesεa amedya n "tillus" ay yeqqlen d "ḥillus".

Neqqar daγen :" ṭṭlam n uṭeryis" i ṭṭlam-nni ay deg ur tezmireḍ ad twaliḍ acemma.

Ass-a ad neḥbes kan da

Ar timlilit ma yebγa Ṛebbi

Čč Ḍḍ Ğğ Ḥḥ Γγ

Ṛ ṛ Ṣ ṣ̣ Ṭ̣ṭ Ẓ ẓ Σ ε

Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@...> wrote:

Azul fell-awen,

Ahat "ssulles" d yiwen-is akk d "stulles" deg unamek n "lexs'as' n tafat". Ahat d tamsertit kan (assimilation) ay d-yellan da : [s] + [t] = [ss].

Ar timlilit ma yexs Yuc Ameqran

y_atziri <y_atziri@...> wrote:

Azul fell-awen,



Smaïl ifka-d amyag istules : istules wemkan . Anamek ines, Am akken id nenna, d amakan igi llant tillas negh win igi txus' tafat.

Dacu yella wemyag nniden imggarad cwit' ghef winna id yefka Smaïl : ssules.

 

" Teâna tama n ddekkan yessullsen, tessa yas kra n wakal azegza" ( Rabdi-Loundja yellis n tamz'a)"




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#384

De: "y_atziri" <y_atziri@...>
Date: Lundi 4. Septembre 2006 19:43
Sujet: Re : Inumak n "stulles"

y_atziri

Slam n R'ebbi fell-awen,

Azul a gma Omar.

Nek ak d-inigh .Ak ibarek R'ebbi. Tannemirt-ik s tussda.

Ar tikel nnid'en ma yexsa R'ebbi

--- Dans imedyazen1@..., Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@y...> a écrit
>
> Sslam n Ṛebbi fell-awen,
>
> Nekni γer-neγ "stulles" anamek-is "εmu s tafat". Mi ara d-nini "yestulles-iyi yiṭij", anamek-is "tewwet-d tafat-is γer-i", "ur iyi-yeğğu ara ad waliγ". "Testulles-it tafat-nni n tkeṛṛust" (tewwet-d s allen-is, ur t-teğği ara ad iwali abrid) (Eblouir).
>
> I kenwi, amek ay as-teqqarem i wemyag-a deg tmiwa-nwen ?
>
> Neqqar diγ "ttulles" (être ébloui) : ttwaεmu s tafat. "Ttullseγ seg tafat n yiṭij". "Ttullsent wallen-iw, mi kecmeγ s axxam, la ttwaliγ kullec d ṭṭlam".
>
> Ihi, ulac ccek dakk-n awal-a yekka-d seg wawal "tillas" (aẓar : LS).
>
> Yella yiwen n gma-tneγ, ur cfiγ ara γef yisem-is, yenna-iyi-d dakk-n awal "tallest" ad yili yekka-d seg yiwen n uẓar netta d "tili". Ahat, deg tmaziγt taqburt (taqdimt), awal "tili" yekka-d seg uẓar "LS", yernu Imaziγen n zik ad ilin llan la d-qqaren "*tilist" (=tillas), maca ay-a yettγimi-d kan d tamuγli.
>
> Deg tama n Weqbil (Σin Lḥemmam, Tizi Wezzu), mazal sseqdacen awal "tillas" (akk-n d-nniγ tikkelt-nni yezrin), yernu asuf-is (singulier) γer-sen netta d "tallest". Yuγ lḥal, γer-sen nitni, "tallest" yesεa sin n yinumak (lemεani) : 1- d ṭṭlam. 2- d lawan-nni n yiḍ, n tlemmast n yiḍ anda ay d-iγelli ṭṭlam-nni aberkan, ay deg ur tezmireḍ ad tfeṛzeḍ acemma. Lawan-nni ibeddu-d seg tizi n ttnac (12) n yiḍ alamma qrib d tafejrit -mi ara tebdu tettban-d tafat tamenzut n tfejrit. Ihi, "tallest" (asg. tillas) d lawan-nni n yiḍ anda ay d-iγelli ṭṭlam aderγal (lawan-nni yesεa isem ula s taεṛabt, ma ur cciḍeγ ara qqaren-as "al-εatama"). Deg Weqbil qqaren-d "temdel tallest", anamek-is "yeγli-d ṭṭlam-nni ay deg ur tettwaliḍ acemma.
>
> D acu kan, awal "tallest" yesεa anamek niḍen, yemgerraden akk γef win n wawal-agi ay d-nessefhem sufella. "Tallest" anamek-is diγ "taqcict". Awal-a yekka-d seg ufeggag (radical) "yell" (yelli, yelli-s, atg.), dγa d "yelli-s" ay d-yefkan "tallest". Ahat awal "yelli" s timmad-is ("yell" s tmaceγt) ad yili yekka-d seg wemyag "li" neγ "el" s tmaceγt, u anamek-is, akk-n t-id-nessefhem tikkelt yezrin, "sεu", dγa "yelli" anamek-is deg laṣ̣el "tin sεiγ", "tin liγ", tin yellan d ayla-w). Awal "tallest" ur yettusseqdac ara aṭas deg teqbaylit, maca ssneγ yiwen wanzi, ttawin-t-id am usefru :
>
> Ḥadret win iḥeqqren tallest
> Γas akk-n mi ay d-tettlala
> Ḥedṛeγ mi tεedda Tceεlalt
> Nettat teqḍa-d, nekk ala
>
> Anzi-a yesεa tamεayt, ad awin-tt-id ssiwleγ sya ar sdat ncalleh.
>
> Daγen nesseqdac awal :
>
> Butellis (yettwanṭaq [vutellis] s [t] aggaγ -occulusif) : gma-tneγ Yidir yenna-d dakk-n wagi d yiwet n waḍḍan ay d-yettafken tidderγelt. Γer-neγ neqqar "butellis n yiyuzaḍ", d yiwen waḍḍan ay ttaḍnent tyuzaḍ, γas ad twaliḍ allen-nsent ldint, nitenti ur ttwalin ara, anamek-is aḍḍan-a yesderγil-itent. Ahat, ula d nekni, deg laṣ̣el, nella nesseqdac awal-a n butellis i kra n waḍḍan ay ttaḍnen yimdanen, ladγa imi, win akk-n ay ttaḍnen yiyuzaḍ ur as-neqqar ara "butellis" kan, wanag nrennu-as "n yiyuzaḍ".
>
>
> Neqqar daγen :
>
> Tillus (s [t] aggaγ -occlusif) : wagi daγen d aḍḍan, ttaḍnen-t yimdanen, maca ur ẓriγ ara amek ay as-qqaren s tefṛensist. Γef leḥsab n temγart ay steqsaγ, tenna-iyi-d dakk-n aḍḍan n "tillus" ttaḍnen-t medden, maca ḥellun/ttejjin seg-s. Qqaren-t zik temγarin : ad ak-yefk Ṛebbi tillus. Win ara yaḍnen tillus-a, ad yeqqel ur yettwali ara.
>
> Deg tgara, yella yiwen wawal ay d-yettussuddmen seg uẓar-agi n "LS" (n "tillas"), d acu kan, ibeddel akk d lweqt :
>
> Tella yiwet n tenfalit (expression) : ṭṭlam ḥillus.
>
> Yuγ lḥal, ulac ccek dakk-n awal-a n "ḥillus" ad yili yekka-d seg wawal "tillus" (isem n waḍḍan-nni). "Ṭ̣ṭlam ḥillus" d ṭṭlam-nni aberkan, aderγal ay deg ur tezmireḍ ad twaliḍ acemma. Nniγ-awen-d dakk-n tikkwal, mi ara yeqqel wawal ur t-sseqdacen ara yal ass, yezmer ad yezleg (ad yeεwej) wenṭaq n wawal-nni, u deg tegnit-a, nesεa amedya n "tillus" ay yeqqlen d "ḥillus".
>
> Neqqar daγen :" ṭṭlam n uṭeryis" i ṭṭlam-nni ay deg ur tezmireḍ ad twaliḍ acemma.
>
> Ass-a ad neḥbes kan da
>
> Ar timlilit ma yebγa Ṛebbi
>
> Čč Ḍḍ Ğğ Ḥḥ Γγ
> Ṛ ṛ Ṣ ṣ̣ Ṭ̣ṭ Ẓ ẓ Σ ε
>
>
> Omar Amastan Mouffok amastan_00@y... wrote:
> Azul fell-awen,
>
> Ahat "ssulles" d yiwen-is akk d "stulles" deg unamek n "lexs'as' n tafat". Ahat d tamsertit kan (assimilation) ay d-yellan da : [s] + [t] = [ss].
>
> Ar timlilit ma yexs Yuc Ameqran
>
> y_atziri y_atziri@y... wrote:
> Azul fell-awen, 
> 
> Smaïl ifka-d amyag istules : istules wemkan . Anamek ines, Am akken id nenna, d amakan igi llant tillas negh win igi txus' tafat.
> Dacu yella wemyag nniden imggarad cwit' ghef winna id yefka Smaïl : ssules.
>  
> " Teâna tama n ddekkan yessullsen, tessa yas kra n wakal azegza" ( Rabdi-Loundja yellis n tamz'a)"
> 
> 
> Ar tikelt nnide'n ma yebgha R'ebbi.
>
>
>
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#385

De: "y_atziri" <y_atziri@...>
Date: Lundi 4. Septembre 2006 20:23
Sujet: Abghas

y_atziri

Abghas :d isem ( courage )

« abghas d win yuggaden ghef uqerru-s nett'a iâemmed »( Tagrest urghu -Mezdad)

Awal agi ulac-it deg umawal n Dallet. Ur zrigh ara ansi i t-id-yewwi Amar Mezdad. Dacu, ad yili n Taqbaylit imi netta, am akken id-inna d adeg ines, ur ih'emmel ara ad i ssexdem awalen ijdiden ( néologismes).

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#386

De: "y_atziri" <y_atziri@...>
Date: Lundi 4. Septembre 2006 20:28
Sujet: Annuf

y_atziri

Annuf : tuffgha n webrid (égarement)

Nekni nghil nesâa ccix n taddart [] ma necced', ur neghri ara .

Nettradju ad agh d-yerr s-abrid ma nunef . Zigh d-nett'

i-gezwaren s-annuf " (M. Mammeri Inna-yas Ccix Muhend)

Wagi d awal ur n-ssexdam ara di ldjiha nnegh .

Ihi , i tikelt nnid'en, ad awen d-inigh, ar ass nnid'en ma yebgha Bab igenwan.

#387

De: Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@...>
Date: Mardi 5. Septembre 2006 15:56
Sujet: Amar Mezdad meâdur'

amastan_00

Tameddit tamerbuḥt fell-ak a Yidir,

Ula d nekk ad ak-iniγ ad ak-ibarek Ṛebbi u tanemmirt s tussda γef yineγmisen (lexbarat) ay d-tettawiḍ deg wenmager-nneγ γef wawalen n tutlayt-nneγ tamaziγt.

Deg way-n yerzan Amar Mezdad, ma ur yexs ara (ur yebγi ara) ad yesseqdac awalen imaynuten, zemreγ ad ak-iniγ dakk-n netta meεduṛ, imi d tasekla ay itteg, deg tsekla ay iqeddec. Yuγ lḥal, nezmer ad d-nini dakk-n deg tsekla n tmaziγt n wass-a, llant snat n trebbaε : llan wid yebγan ad kemmlen kan ad sseqdacen tutlayt taqburt (taqdimt), tamensayt (traditionnelle), llan wiyaḍ yebγan ad d-skecmen awalen imaynuten u ad d-skecmen ula d aγanen (styles) imaynuten γer tutlayt.

Γef umedya (lemtel), Hamid Oubagha, aselway n tiddukla n Imedyazen, deg tmucuha-ines yesmenyaf ad teqqim kan tutlayt-nni taqburt (taqdimt) n zik, u ad ikemmel ad d-yettaru timucuha ay d-ileqqeḍ swaswa kan s tutlayt-nni ay yes ay tent-id-ssawlent temγarin. Maca, seg tama niḍen nezmer ad naf aṭas n yimeskaren (auteurs) n tmaziγt n wass-a, ama d wid ay d-yettarun ungalen (romans) neγ d wid ay d-yettarun tullisin (nouvelles) neγ ula d timucuha, sseqdacen awalen imaynuten yernu tikkwal, sseqdacen ula d tinfalyin (expressions) titrarin (modernes), banent dakk-n wwin-tent-id seg tutlayin niḍen.

Ma d nekk, deg tmuγli-inu, ttxemmimeγ dakk-n mgerraden yeḍrisen (textes) anda ay nezmer ad nesseqdec awalen itraren (modernes). Ma yella d timucuha n zik, yewwi-iyi-d Ṛebbi dakk-n yif-it ma nkemmel nessawal-itent-id deg tira akk-n ay llant ssawalent-aneγ-tent-id tjidatin-nneγ s wawal, ladγa taswiεt-a, mi akk-a ay d aγ-d-mazal la tent-id-nleqqeḍ seg wennar. Xseγ ad γreγ u ad issineγ timucuha n Ayt Mlikec, n Ayt Ksila neγ Ayt Wertilan s yiles amaziγ n tmiwa-nni ay deg ay tent-id-ssawalen, maci s tutlayt tamaynut n wass-a, acku, taswiεt-a, iḍrisen ara d-nelqeḍ seg tmiwa-a, seg wennar, d iḍrisen ara yeqqimen d inagan γef wamek imeqranen llan ssawalen tutlayt tamaziγt deg tmiwa-a : ad d-ddun deg-sen aṭas n wawalen iqburen (iqdimen), aṭas n tenfalyin (expressions), aṭas n yinzan ... Ma yella albaεḍ ur yefki ara azal i way-a akk, yernu yessawel-d tamacahut-is s tutlayt-nni tatrart n wass-a, tamacahut-nni ad teqqel d taḥerfit (simple), d tasemmaḍt, ur d-yettγimi ara deg-s ṛṛuḥ n tmacahut-nni n temγarin n zik.

Seg tama niḍen, deg way-n yerzan tasekla tatrart am wungalen (romans) n ussugen (fiction) ay d-itteffγen ass-a, dinna, bab-is d ilelli (libre), a tutlayt ay as-yehwan ad tt-yesseqdec. D acu kan, a win yufan, yessefk ad d-nagem anect umi nezmer seg wawalen d tenfalyin (expressions) iqburen (iqdimen) n tutlayt-nneγ : imi d tasekla (littérature) ara ntteg, yessefk tasekla n wass-a ad tili d akemmel n tin n yiḍelli. Tasekla d taẓuri (d lfenn), maci d menwala ay as-izemren, maci d menwala ay izemren ad tt-isellek deg-s u ad d-yeg deg-s iqeddicen icebḥen. Agdud-nneγ d leqrun ay yeqqim i wakk-n ad aγ-d-yeg tasekla-a tatlayt (orale) ay nessen ass-a, tin n tmucuha, timεayin, isefra, atg. Agdud-nneγ yemsel-d, akk d lweqt, yiwet n tutlayt d tameṛkantit, teččuṛ d awalen, teččuṛ d sser yernu tesεa ṛṛ̣uḥ ... amek ay tesεa ṛṛ̣uḥ ? Mi ara as-nsel, ad nḥulfu i lḥamu-nni n wexxam-nneγ n zik, i laman-nni d ṛṛaḥa-nni n lbal, am tin umi nella nettḥulfu asmi ay nella d imecṭuḥen ... Mi tesliḍ i tmacahut n zik, ad yewliwel wul-ik. Mi tesliḍ i usefru n zik, ad d-tewliwel tasa-k. Ayγer ? Acku imawlan-is ttawin-t-id s tutlayt-nni n zik, tin akk-n ay yes d-nekker, tin akk-n ay llan ttmeslayen-tt yimawlan-nneγ. Γef way-a, ur yessefk ara ass-a ad d-tili truẓi ger way-n yellan d aqbur (aqdim) d way-n yellan d amaynut. Ay-n ara itteg Mezdad deg wungalen-is yelha, win ay d-yeskecmen yiwen wawal n tmaziγt tatrart neγ sin, yelha daγen, d acu kan, ur yessefk ara ad ibeddel tutlayt-nneγ alamma teqqel ur tesεi ara sser, wanag yessefk ad yeεreḍ ad d-yagem akk ay-n umi yezmer seg tutlayt-nni tucbiḥt n zik.

D acu kan, cikkeγ dakk-n, sya ar sdat, ad ilin yinurar n tsekla (littérature) anda bab-is terra-t tmara ad yesseqdec awalen n tmaziγt tatrart (moderne). Yuγ lḥal, tamaziγt ur tezmir ara ad tkemmel kan akk-a, i lebda, ad teqqim kan d tutlayt ay yes ara nettaru kra n tḥucay (Ulac ssmaḥ ulac, Tafsut n Yimaziγt, atg.), d kra n wammuden (recueils) n yisefra, d kra n yimagraden n wesfelsef deg kra n tesγunin "timaziγin" yuran s tefṛensist. Yuγ lḥal, yessefk fell-aneγ ad nessimγer anrar n tutlayt tamaziγt, ad neldi iglan (horizons) imaynuten, ad neffeγ seg ujeγlal-nni n "tsekla" neγ tasekla takelsakt (classique), u ad nekcem γer yimaḍalen (mondes) niḍen n tmussni. Ass-a, amur ameqran deg wungalen ay d-itteffγen s tmaziγt d ungalen n tedyanin n tayri neγ ttawin-d tikkwal γef kra n wuguren n tmetti (société). D acu kan, la ttwaliγ dakk-n llan kra n yimeskaren imaziγen, seg zik bγan ad ffγen seg ujeγlal-a, u bdan la ttnadin ad d-ssuqqlen iqeddicen n yimeskaren (auteurs) niḍen, ladγa imeskaren ibeṛṛaniyen. S wazekka, a win yufan, ad neqqel nezmer ad naf ungalen d yedlisen seg yal tawsit (ṣ̣ṣ̣enf) : ama d ungalen n tayri neγ n tmetti, ama d ungalen n temsulta (romans policiers) neγ d ungalen n tussna n ussugen (science-fiction). I lmend n way-a, amdan terra-t tmara ad d-yessezgi tutlayt-is d way-n akk-n ay γef yettaru.

Lemmer ad d-nessuqqel idlisen n Jules Verne (d idlisen n tussna n ussugen) γer tmaziγt, terra-yaγ tmara ad nesseqdec aṭas n wawalen imaynuten, d awalen n tγawsiwin ay d-yennulfan deg tallit (zzman) n wass-a neγ bitt, d tiγawsiwin werεad neγ werğin nnulfant-d. Ay-a akk yettγimi-d d timsal yuklalen axemmem, yernu, akk-n tettwalim, mazal γezzif umecwaṛ.

Ar timlilit ma yexs Ugellid Ameqran

Čč Ḍḍ Ğğ Ḥḥ Γγ

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y_atziri <y_atziri@...> wrote:

Abghas :d isem ( courage )

 

« abghas d win yuggaden ghef uqerru-s nett'a iâemmed »( Tagrest urghu -Mezdad)

 

Awal agi ulac-it deg umawal n Dallet. Ur zrigh ara ansi i t-id-yewwi Amar Mezdad. Dacu, ad yili n Taqbaylit imi netta, am akken id-inna d adeg ines, ur ih'emmel ara ad i ssexdem awalen ijdiden ( néologismes).

 

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#388

De: Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@...>
Date: Mardi 5. Septembre 2006 16:27
Sujet: Awal "abghas"

amastan_00

Sslam n Ṛebbi fell-awen,

Awal "abγas" yella deg tmawalt (lexique) n tmaziγt tatrart n Dda Lmulud, ad fell-as yeεfu Ṛebbi. Din, "abγas" anamek-is "akuṛaği, win yesεan lkuṛağ, tabγest, win ur nettagad ara" (courageux).

Ma d awal "lkuṛağ", Dda Lmulud yessers-it-id "tabγest" deg tmawalt-is (lexique).

Awal-a ur t-ssineγ ara deg teqbaylit, aẓar-is ur t-ssineγ ara deg wawal niḍen. Ma yella d Amer Mezdad akk d Dda Lmulud ay t-id-yeskeflen seg teqbaylit, ay-a d ay-n yelhan.

Bγiγ kan ad d-greγ tamawt dakk-n aṭas aṭas seg wawalen n tmaziγt tatrart ttwaddmen-d ama seg tmaceγt, ama seg tentala tacelḥit n Meṛṛuk.

Ar timlilit ma yexs Ugellid Ameqran

Čč Ḍḍ Ğğ Ḥḥ Γγ

Ṛ ṛ Ṣ ṣ̣ Ṭ̣ṭ Ẓ ẓ Σ ε

y_atziri <y_atziri@...> wrote:

Abghas :d isem ( courage )

 

« abghas d win yuggaden ghef uqerru-s nett'a iâemmed »( Tagrest urghu -Mezdad)

 

Awal agi ulac-it deg umawal n Dallet. Ur zrigh ara ansi i t-id-yewwi Amar Mezdad. Dacu, ad yili n Taqbaylit imi netta, am akken id-inna d adeg ines, ur ih'emmel ara ad i ssexdem awalen ijdiden ( néologismes).

 

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#389

De: Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@...>
Date: Mardi 5. Septembre 2006 17:06
Sujet: Re: Annuf

amastan_00

Sslam n Ṛebbi fell-awen,

Γer-neγ, amyag "anef" anamek-is "eğğ" :

Anef : eğğ albaεḍ : anef-as ad iḍebber aqerru-yis : eğğ-it ad iḍebber aqerru-yis

neγ daγen "anef-as ad iṛuḥ", deg unamek n "εemmed-as, efk-as ttesriḥ ad yeg kra".

D acu kan, γef wakk-n ttwaliγ deg tama-nneγ, amyag "anef" sseqdacen-t s waṭas deg wanaḍ (impératif), ur t-sseqdacen ara aṭas deg yezri. Nekni nesseqdac ugar amyag "eğğ" deg yinumak n "baεed-as i walbaεḍ, anef-as", neγ "εemmed-as, efk-as ttesriḥ ad yeg kra" :

Eğğ-it, ad yelmed i yiman-is

Ur t-tettağğa ara yemma-s ad yeffeγ

Samia Saad-Bouzefrane, tin akk-n ay d-yuran "Tamawalt n Tsenselkimt Tamaziγt - Tafṛensist - Taglizit", tessers-d amyag "anef" s unamek n "abandonner" s tefṛensist. D acu kan, tasuqilt-a (asṭerjem) ur yelli iṣ̣eḥḥa ara deg wakk tignatin, γef leḥsab-iw :

Ur nezmir ara ad d-nini "axxam-nni unfen-as medden" (la maison a été abandonnée par les gens), wanag ad d-nini "axxam-nni ğğan-t medded".

Ur nezmir ara ad d-nini "ufan-d llufan, unfen-as yimawlan-is deg webrid" (ils ont trouvé un bébé abandonné par ses parents dans la rue), wanag ad d-nini "ufan-d llufan, ğğan-t yimawlan-is ...".

Ma deg way-n yerzan "tuffγa seg webrid", deg Tgemmunt n Lejdid (deg Yiwaḍiyen) sseqdacen amyag "nnfel" :

Qqaren : "yennfel i webrid", anamek-is "yeffeγ i webrid". Amyag-a yesεa anamek agmam (concret) d unamek amadwan (abstrait) :

Takeṛṛust-is tennfel i webrid (déraper) : teffeγ i webrid, tṛuḥ γer lfusi, tegrareb.

Argaz-nni yennfel i webrid : yeffeγ i webrid iqewmen, iṣ̣eggmen, yeffeγ i webrid n Sidi Ṛebbi, u yeqqel la itteg leḥṛam neγ ay-n n diri.

Amyag "nnfel" yekka-d seg wezwir (préfixe) "n" + "ffel".

Azwir "n" nesseqdac-it mi ara tili tigawt (action) la tḍerru γef win ay tt-igan; γef umedya (lemtel) :

jbed d amyag amsukk (transitif) : yejbed weqcic amrar

nnejbad (n + jbed) : d taγawsa-nni ay yettnejbaden : tinelli-nni (lxiḍ) tettnejbad.

Ffel, d amyag deg talγa taḥerfit (forme simple), anamek-is : "εeddi, jbu i kra" (dépasser, déborder). Amyag-a yekka-d seg uẓar "FL" ay d-yefkan awal "afella" (le haut - sufella), neγ tanzeγt (préposition) "fell-" (fell-ak, fell-as, fell-asen, atg.).

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y_atziri <y_atziri@...> wrote:

Annuf : tuffgha n webrid (égarement)

Nekni nghil nesâa ccix n taddart [] ma necced', ur neghri ara .

Nettradju ad agh d-yerr s-abrid ma nunef . Zigh d-nett'

i-gezwaren s-annuf " (M. Mammeri Inna-yas Ccix Muhend)

Wagi d awal ur n-ssexdam ara di ldjiha nnegh .



Ihi , i tikelt nnid'en, ad awen d-inigh, ar ass nnid'en ma yebgha Bab igenwan.

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#390

De: Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@...>
Date: Mardi 5. Septembre 2006 18:15
Sujet: Tigherghert d yighergher

amastan_00

Ssalam εlikum,

Zik, lliγ la ttwaliγ dakk-n awal "tiγerγert" ad yili yettussuddem-d seg uẓar "QR/ΓR" ay d-yefkan "qqar" akk d "taγert", imi "agens" neγ "lqaεa" n wexxam "teqqur".

D acu kan, imi gma-tneγ Σumaṛ Derwic yenna-yaγ-d dakk-n γer-sen "iγerγer" d anrar, ihi yessefk ad neqqen awal "tiγerγert" γer uneggaru-a.

Yezmer lḥal, Leqbayel iqdimen ad ilin qqnen awal "tiγerγert" γer "yiγerγer"-a yellan d anrar. Akk-n d-nniγ tikkelt-nni yezrin, axxam n Leqbayel yebḍa d iḥricen : yella uddaynin (anda ay gganen lmal), nnig-s tella tkanna neγ taεrict (anda ay tteffren medden lerẓaq), sakk-in, ay akk ay d-yeqqimen seg wexxam d agens neγ d tiγerγert. Yuγ lḥal, d tiγerγert-a ay d amkan ameqran, ay iwesεen akk deg wexxam, dγa ahat semman-as akk-a imi, litteε-ines cebban-t γer win n wenrar (iγerγer).

Yewwi-iyi-d Ṛebbi dakk-n awal "iγerγer" yesmektay-d temγer neγ litteε n wemkan, imi aslag (redoublement) n tunṭiqt (syllabe) "γer" (-γerγer) yesεa azal deg tegnit-a. Yella wawal niḍen : aṭeḥṭaḥ, anamek-is d amkan ay iwesεen (da llant snat n tunṭiqin yettemcabin, -ṭeḥṭaḥ, d ay-n ara aγ-yeğğen ad nxemmem dakk-n awal-a yeqsed-d kra n tγawsa meqqren, iwesεen).

Awal "Iγerγer" yettwassen deg kra n yismawen n yimukan :

Tama n Yigelmimen (Goulmima), tuzga-d deg wenẓul agmuḍan (sud-est) n Meṛṛuk, deg yiwet n tama yekkawen, deg uneẓruf (ṣ̣ṣ̣eḥra). Tama-a, ay deg medden mazal la ssawalen tamaziγt n Waṭlas, llan deg-s zik yiγerman (timdinin neγ tudrin umi d-zzin leṣ̣war, deg uneẓruf), am wid-nni ara naf deg Tγerdayt, deg Tin Mimun, deg Beccaṛ neγ deg Adrar, deg tmurt n Ldzayer.

Yiwen seg yiγerman-a qqaren-as "Iγrem n Yiγerγer". Iban kan iγrem-a yuzga-d deg neγ sdat n wemkan iwesεen, d anrar (anda ay sserwaten ?).

Deg uneẓruf (ṣ̣ṣ̣eḥra) n Ldzayer, deg yidurar n Uhaggaṛ, yella yiwen wasif qqaren-as Tanget. Asif-a ileḥḥu-d seg yidurar n Uhaggaṛ alamma d anẓul (sud), yettaweḍ alamma d Niger. Dinna, asif n Tanget qqaren-as Iγerγer. Iban kan dakk-n ula d Imucaγ sseqdacen awal "iγerγer", neγ ahat llan sseqdacen-t zik, deg tmaceγt taqburt (taqdimt).

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y_atziri <y_atziri@...> wrote:

Slam n R'ebbi fell-awen,

Awal agi ur tessinegh ara . D awal n Teqbaylit taqdimt (?)

Ulac-it deg umawal n Dallet.

"Ibda amured yerna ikker ghef tqejjir'in-is di lawan. Ulac amd'diq ittadjda di tgherghert" .

Ghef wakken i t-fehmagh di tewsit agi awal agi yebgha ad yini : leqaâa, taqaâett (sol )
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#391

De: "y_atziri" <y_atziri@...>
Date: Mercredi 6. Septembre 2006 7:18
Sujet: Lemh'ella

y_atziri

Azul fell-awen,

« Ur rnin ar' asegg°ass lemh'ella n Wefransis ters-ed di Sidi Fr'edj » (M. Mammeri Inna-yas Ccix Muhend- udem 50)

Dagi awal lemh'ella yesâa anamek n lâeskar ( armée). D awal n Teqbaylit.

Dacu, deg id'risen ijdiden yuran s Teqbaylit negh s tantalin nnid'en n Tmazight d igen , awal id yekkan si Tmacaght ( tameslayt n Iheggaren) , i yettwasexdamen.

( Naït-Zerrad : lexique relgieux berbère et néologie –udem 122).

Lemh'ella yella deg umawal Mohand Aitighil.

http://amawal.ifrance.com/

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#392

De: Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@...>
Date: Mercredi 13. Septembre 2006 16:22
Sujet: Re: Lemh'ella

amastan_00

Sslam n Ṛebbi fell-awen,

Awal n "lemḥella" la iyi-d-yettban dakk-n yekka-d seg taεṛabt, γas ma yella wagi d yiwen seg wawalen ay d-yegran deg teqbaylit timserreḥt n zik akk-n ad d-mmeslayen γef yigen (armée).

Yuγ lḥal, aṭas n wawalen n tudert tasertit (politique) d tserdasit (militaire) ay tella tesεa-ten teqbaylit u kkan-d seg taεṛabt, d acu kan, aṭas n tentalyin (dialectes) timaziγin niḍen ay deg d-qqimen wawalen n tudert tasertit (politique), γas ma yella tintalyin-a mfaraqent.

Deg teqbaylit nesεa awalen n taεṛabt am "aεsekṛiw, lεeskeṛ, sselṭan, aḥeṛsiw, ssif, leḥṣ̣in, lbuṛj, ddewla, leḥkem, atg." : awalen-a akk kkan-d seg taεṛabt, imi seg wasmi ay d-yekcem Lislam, taεṛabt teqqel tesεa tasγent tameqrant deg tudert tasertit (d tedyanit) n Yimaziγen. Taεṛabt tella d tutlayt n temdinin, tigeldiwin (royaumes) timaziγin tinselmin llant sεant timunaγ-nsent (capitales) deg temdinin (Acir, Taqliεt n Ayt Ḥemmad, Bgayet, Tlemsan, atg.), yernu d taεṛabt ay yellan d tutlayt n tmussni, n leqraya, dγa ismawen n tsuda (institution) n tsertit d yiserdasen yella umur ameqran deg-sen s taεṛabt.

Nnig way-a, yessefk ad d-nger tamawt dakk-n tuddsa tasertit (organisation politique) n Yimaziγen n zik tella temgerrad γef tuddsa tasertit n Uwanak (ddewla) atrar. Tuddsa tasertit n Uwanak ineslem d tuddsa tatrart (moderne) ay deg yella unabaḍ (lḥukuma) yesεan aqerru neγ lḥakem d lḥekkam ay d-yusan ddaw-as, akk d yigen (armée), akk d wegdud yettwaḥekmen, yernu tamurt tebḍa d timnaḍin (provinces), yal tamnaḍt tesεa win ay tt-iḥekmen, γas ma yella ur yelli ara seg tmurt-nni. Maca deg tuddsa tasertit taqburt n Yimaziγen, tamurt tebḍa d leεṛac (tiwsatin) d teqbilin (confédérations), yal lεeṛc yebḍa d tudrin, yal taddart tesεa tajmaεt : d tajmaεt-nni ay d ṛṛay n taddart, yernu d "lamin n taddart" ay tesεa γef uqerru-is, yernu s yinejmuyaε d lemcawṛat ay ferrun Yimaziγen timsal-nsen. Γas ma yella lamin n taddart d "aqerru" (d ccaf), maca ur yelli ara d lḥakem ara igen ay-n ay as-yehwan, wanag d ay-n ay γef msefhamen wayt taddart ara d-yini. Dγa seg zik, am wakk-n taddart tesεa lamin-ines, ula d lεeṛc d teqbilt sεan lamin-nsen. Dγa d yiwen am winna ay itteqqlen d "agellid" γer Yimaziγen n zik. Yuγ lḥal, ass-a, mi ara d-zemmken (déchifrer) neγ la d-ssefrayen yimassanen d acu ay uran lejdud-nneγ s tfinaγ, la d-ttafen dakk-n wigi uran aṭas n yismawen n yemdanen u sseddayen-d yid-sen awal "GLD" (agellid), dγa d ay-a ay yeğğan Salem Chaker (deg "Manuel de Linguistique aḥric wis 2"), ad ixemmem dakk-n wigi ur llin ara akk d igelliden imeqranen, wanag deg tallit-nni, d win yellan γef uqerru n kra n teqbilt (confédération) umi llan qqaren "agellid". Ihi, "agellid" γer Yimaziγen ur yelli ara kifkif-it am ugellid n ddewla tatrart (am ddewlat timaziγin ay d-yennulfan sdeffir n unekcum n Lislam). "Awanak" (ddewla) amaziγ n zik ur yesεi ara igen (armée), tasugna-agi (concept) n yigen ulac-it γer-neγ zik. Mi ara nexs (mi ara nebγu) ad nennaγ, ad d-nejmeε irgazen n leεṛac-nneγ, ad neg ṣ̣ṣ̣ef, ad nennaγ deg tallit-nni n yimenγi, sakk-n ad nemsefraq, ama nerna neγ nettwarna.

Ihi imi ay yemgerrad (yemxallaf) unagraw (système) n leḥkem n Yimaziγen γef win n ddewla tatrart (moderne), ula d awalen imaziγen yeqqnen γer tsertit ur d-myezgen ara swaswa kan akk d wid n tutlayin n yegduden yesεan ddewlat titrarin, dγa d ay-a ay aγ-yeğğan ad d-nerḍel awalen yeqqnen γer ddewla tatrart seg tutlayin niḍen.

Yella yiwen n yixef deg "Manuel de Linguistique Berbère" (aḥric wis sin, n Salem Chaker), yettmeslay-d γef temsal-a s wugar n ttfaṣ̣il (d ixef ay deg d-yettmeslay γef ussefru n tira n tfinaγt tiqburin, d wemgerrad yellan ger n unagraw -système- n leḥkem afiniqi d win n Yimaziγen, ad d-nawi fell-as awal, ncalleh tikkelt niḍen).

Ar timlilit ma yebγa Ṛebbi

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y_atziri <y_atziri@...> wrote:

Azul fell-awen,

« Ur rnin ar' asegg°ass lemh'ella n Wefransis ters-ed di Sidi Fr'edj » (M. Mammeri Inna-yas Ccix Muhend- udem 50)

 

Dagi awal lemh'ella yesâa anamek n lâeskar ( armée). D awal n Teqbaylit.

 

Dacu, deg id'risen ijdiden yuran s Teqbaylit negh s tantalin nnid'en n Tmazight d igen , awal id yekkan si Tmacaght ( tameslayt n Iheggaren) , i yettwasexdamen.

( Naït-Zerrad : lexique relgieux berbère et néologie –udem 122).

 

Lemh'ella yella deg umawal Mohand Aitighil.

http://amawal.ifrance.com/

Ar tikelt nnid'en ma yebgha R'ebbi

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#393

De: Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@...>
Date: Mercredi 13. Septembre 2006 16:44
Sujet: Agujil r'ebban leâmum, rrbeh' ur t-yennum

amastan_00

Sslam n Ṛebbi fell-awen,

Yella yiwen wanzi yeqqar-as : "Agujil ṛebban leεmum, rrbeḥ ur t-yennum, ama yella-d, ama ulac".

Yuγ lḥal, newwi-d awal, tikkelt-nni iεeddan γef yigujilen, u nenna-d dakk-n tweεεeṛ fell-asen tudert mi ara mmten yimawlan-nsen. Tuγ ula d win yesεan leεmum-is, γas agujil-nni d mmi-s n gma-tsen, maca ur as-ttgen ara leqrar, ur as-ttabdaden ara akk-n ara bedden i warraw-nsen.

Anzi-a qqaren-t-id γef win, mi ara teγli yis-s, ad yeḍmeε ad yaf wid ay as-yettilin, wid ay t-iqerben, maca ula d wid-nni ur ten-yettaf ara.

Deg umezruy, llan sin yimedyaten γef yigujilen Ṛebban leεmum, yiwen deg-sen yettafk-d amedya n diri, d win n ugujil ay seg ttasmen wigad-is u wḍen alamma ay bγan ad t-nγen, wagi d Yugurten, yiwen seg yigelliden n Yimaziγen ay yennuγen mgal (contre) n unekcum n Ṛṛuman. Yella umedya n ugujil, γas yeggujel seg temẓi-s, maca yufa-d εemmi-s sdat-s alamma ay d asmi ay yemmut uneggaru-a, wagi d Nnbi Muḥemmed, taẓallit d sslam n Ṛebbi fell-as. D acu kan, ula deg umezruy, drusit leεmum igan leqrar i warraw n waytmaten-nsen.

Ad d-neqqel γer temsalt-a tikkelt niḍen ma yexs Ugellid

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#394

De: Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@...>
Date: Mercredi 13. Septembre 2006 16:55
Sujet: D acu-t "urettux" ?

amastan_00

Sslam n Ṛebbi fell-awen,

"Arettux" [aṛeTSux] d amkan yudren/iṣ̣ubben ciṭṭaḥ s ddaw n tmurt, iga amzun d amruj, maca ur lqay ara (ur iγaz ara aṭas) :

Mi ara tleḥḥuḍ deg webrid neγ deg wakal, ad twaliḍ imukan yudren/iṣ̣ubben (dépressions), d wid-nni umi qqaren "irettuxen". Mi ara ttedduḍ deg wemkan ay deg yella leḥcic, akk akal idel/iγumm s leḥcic, tikkwal, tzemreḍ ad tegreḍ aḍar-ik deg urettux, dγa ad yebren neγ ad teγliḍ

Yuγ lḥal, tikkwal irettuxen ur d-ttbanen ara deg leḥcic.

Deg tama n Yiγil n Yimula (deg tγiwant n Yiwaḍiyen), qqaren-as "atterttuf" [atsertsuf].

Awal "arettux" ad yili yekka-d seg wemyag "rdex". Deg teqbaylit, rdex anamek-is "ader, ṣ̣ubb, knu γer daxel" : γef umedya (lemtel), tikkwal, ad twaliḍ ssqef n walbaεḍ n yexxamen "yerdex γer daxel", anamek-is "yekna γer daxel", yuder-d, la iteddu akk-n ad d-ihudd.

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#395

De: "asennan" <asennan@...>
Date: Samedi 16. Septembre 2006 10:01
Sujet: Re : Isem n wemkan : Timsunin (Mchouneche)

asennan

Tifawin,

Ufigh (ghrigh) yakan snat negh kradh tikkal awal 'tamsunt'
yettusemres s unamek n 'paradis, eldjennet', maca ur t-ufigh ara deg
yisegzawalen (dictionnaires) i d-yeghlin ger ifassen-inew.
Cfigh ufigh-t deg udlis n Mass Cheradi Hocine "Etudes en Linguistique
Tamaziqht".

Ar Tayedh.




--- Dans imedyazen1@..., Omar Amastan Mouffok
<amastan_00@y...> a écrit
>
> Tameddit tamerbuḥt fell-awen,
>
>   Timsunin d yiwet n temdint d tamecṭut, tuzga-d deg ugafa n
Tbeskert (Biskra). Ta d yiwet seg tmiwa ticawiyin n twilayt n
Tberskert.
>
>   Timsunin szelgen-as (sεewjen-as) akk isem-is, rran-
d "Mcunec" s tefṛensist d taεṛabt. Yuγ
lḥal, aṭas n yismawen n yimukan n tmurt n Yicawiyen ay
szelgen neγ sεeṛben-ten, ad d-nawi fell-asen awal
yiwen wass ma yexs Yuc Ameqran.
>
>   Timsunin ur ẓriγ s ttbut d acu ay d anamek-is, maca,
γef wakk-n la d-yettban, d isem unti (féminin) asget (pluriel),
ad yili yekka-d seg wasuf "tamsunt". Isem-a ur t-id-ufiγ ara
yettusseqdac deg kra n tentala (dialecte), d acu kan, ad yili yekka-d
seg "amessun" (win yessnen). Ahat, zik-nni, deg taddart n Temsunin
llant ttidirent temγarin d timrabḍin, d tid yettafken
zzyaṛa (ttkacafent) neγ tijebbaṛin yettdawin medden.
>
>   Yella yiwen wemkan, deg taddart n Tgemmunt n Lejdid, qqaren-
as "Tiniḍifin". Amkan-a yeqreb γer wakal n Tizi Hibel.
Tiniḍifin uzgant-d deg lexla, ur yezdiγ yiwen dinna. D acu
kan, mi ara tawḍeḍ γer din, ad tafeḍ yiwen
wexxam, seg zik ay yella, tura εawden-as lebni, ttzuṛun-t-
id medden. La d-qqaren dakk-n "Tiniḍifin"-agi d tilawin yellan
zedγent deg wexxam-nni zik-nni, ttqadaren-tent medden, llant d
timrabḍin, u asmi mmutent, qqlent d tibaḍniyin.
>
>   Ibaḍniyen (asuf : abaḍni) d ṛṛuḥ n
win yemmuten, yettidir deg tbaḍnit, deg ddunit ur d-nettban
ara, u yettεassa γef medden. Dγa, asmi ay mmutent
tilawin-nni, qqlent d tiεessasin n wemkan-nni, u semman-
as "Tiniḍifin", γef yisem-nsent. Ur neẓri ara d acu-
t unamek n "Tiniḍifin" deg tutlayt (ad yili yekka-d seg wasuf-
singulier "tiniḍift").
>
>   Fkiγ-d amedya-a i wakk-n kan ad d-ssekneγ dakk-n
tikkwal, kra n yismawen n yimukan ttsemmin-ten γef yimdanen
yeddren deg-sen. Maca llan aṭas n yismawen niḍen am wakk-
a.
>
>     Čč  Ḍḍ  Ğğ  Ḥḥ
Γγ
>   Ṛ ṛ  Ṣ ṣ̣ Ṭ̣ṭ
Ẓ ẓ Σ  ε
>
>
>
>
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#396

De: omar derouich <ulusir60@...>
Date: Samedi 16. Septembre 2006 16:14
Sujet: RE : Re : Isem n wemkan : Timsunin (Mchouneche)

ulusir60

Timeddiwin! (bonne après-midi)

Izmer lh'al d Mass CERRADI i d-isnulfan awal-nni!

Awal TIMSUNIN nessen-it deg wakal maca ur nessin ara acu n unamek-ines (signification)!

Acu n uswir (niveau) i ila (isâa) mass Cerradi deg yiger n tesnilsit (linguistique)?

Nessen-it d ameghnas ghef tmazight maca ur illi ara d amussnaw deg tmazight.

Ssaramegh ad yili zeglegh deg wayen i d-nnigh!

Tanemmirt

asennan <asennan@...> a écrit :

Tifawin,

Ufigh (ghrigh) yakan snat negh kradh tikkal awal 'tamsunt'
yettusemres s unamek n 'paradis, eldjennet', maca ur t-ufigh ara deg
yisegzawalen (dictionnaires) i d-yeghlin ger ifassen-inew.
Cfigh ufigh-t deg udlis n Mass Cheradi Hocine "Etudes en Linguistique
Tamaziqht".

Ar Tayedh.

--- Dans imedyazen1@..., Omar Amastan Mouffok
<amastan_00@y...> a écrit
>
> Tameddit tamerbuḥt fell-awen,
>
>   Timsunin d yiwet n temdint d tamecṭut, tuzga-d deg ugafa n
Tbeskert (Biskra). Ta d yiwet seg tmiwa ticawiyin n twilayt n
Tberskert.
>
>   Timsunin szelgen-as (sεewjen-as) akk isem-is, rran-
d "Mcunec" s tefṛensist d taεṛabt. Yuγ
lḥal, aṭas n yismawen n yimukan n tmurt n Yicawiyen ay
szelgen neγ sεeṛben-ten, ad d-nawi fell-asen awal
yiwen wass ma yexs Yuc Ameqran.
>
>   Timsunin ur ẓriγ s ttbut d acu ay d anamek-is, maca,
γef wakk-n la d-yettban, d isem unti (féminin) asget (pluriel),
ad yili yekka-d seg wasuf "tamsunt". Isem-a ur t-id-ufiγ ara
yettusseqdac deg kra n tentala (dialecte), d acu kan, ad yili yekka-d
seg "amessun" (win yessnen). Ahat, zik-nni, deg taddart n Temsunin
llant ttidirent temγarin d timrabḍin, d tid yettafken
zzyaṛa (ttkacafent) neγ tijebbaṛin yettdawin medden.
>
>   Yella yiwen wemkan, deg taddart n Tgemmunt n Lejdid, qqaren-
as "Tiniḍifin". Amkan-a yeqreb γer wakal n Tizi Hibel.
Tiniḍifin uzgant-d deg lexla, ur yezdiγ yiwen dinna. D acu
kan, mi ara tawḍeḍ γer din, ad tafeḍ yiwen
wexxam, seg zik ay yella, tura εawden-as lebni, ttzuṛun-t-
id medden. La d-qqaren dakk-n "Tiniḍifin"-agi d tilawin yellan
zedγent deg wexxam-nni zik-nni, ttqadaren-tent medden, llant d
timrabḍin, u asmi mmutent, qqlent d tibaḍniyin.
>
>   Ibaḍniyen (asuf : abaḍni) d ṛṛuḥ n
win yemmuten, yettidir deg tbaḍnit, deg ddunit ur d-nettban
ara, u yettεassa γef medden. Dγa, asmi ay mmutent
tilawin-nni, qqlent d tiεessasin n wemkan-nni, u semman-
as "Tiniḍifin", γef yisem-nsent. Ur neẓri ara d acu-
t unamek n "Tiniḍifin" deg tutlayt (ad yili yekka-d seg wasuf-
singulier "tiniḍift").
>
>   Fkiγ-d amedya-a i wakk-n kan ad d-ssekneγ dakk-n
tikkwal, kra n yismawen n yimukan ttsemmin-ten γef yimdanen
yeddren deg-sen. Maca llan aṭas n yismawen niḍen am wakk-
a.
>
>     Čč Ḍḍ Ğğ Ḥḥ
Γγ
>   Ṛ ṛ Ṣ ṣ̣ Ṭ̣ṭ
Ẓ ẓ Σ ε
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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#397

De: F B <asennan@...>
Date: Dimanche 17. Septembre 2006 21:15
Sujet: Re: RE : Re : Isem n wemkan : Timsunin (Mchouneche)

asennan

Timensiwin,

Tamezwarut, ula d nek bedregh-d aghbalu-inew, ghef yal yiwen ad iz'er azal-ines.

Tis snat, imyura imazighen merr'a d imeghnasen. Aswir n Mass Cerradi d aswir n Mezdad d wiyid'.

Tis krad', amek armi acku kan ur t-qbiled' ara tarrayt n tira n Mass Cerradi (Nek daghen!) terrid' d ulac. Uguren n tira n tmazight dayen yellan, maci d Cerradi negh d Bahbouh negh d Lahbib Fouad i ten-id-yesnulfan, z'er kan asefru-inek deg tesghunt To Topos!

Ur tezgiled' ara deg wayen i d-tennid' imi d amnad-inek, yal yiwen ghur-es azref ad yel amnad. Key negh Nek negh Mass Cerrad!

Taneggarut, tennid' nessen awal timsunin deg wakal, ad k-d-smektigh kan nwis awal a3rab 'al-jannah' anamek-ines amezwaru d 'urti'...

Ar tayedh

omar derouich <ulusir60@...> wrote:

Timeddiwin! (bonne après-midi)

Izmer lh'al d Mass CERRADI i d-isnulfan awal-nni!

Awal TIMSUNIN nessen-it deg wakal maca ur nessin ara acu n unamek-ines (signification)!

Acu n uswir (niveau) i ila (isâa) mass Cerradi deg yiger n tesnilsit (linguistique)?

Nessen-it d ameghnas ghef tmazight maca ur illi ara d amussnaw deg tmazight.

Ssaramegh ad yili zeglegh deg wayen i d-nnigh!

Tanemmirt

asennan <asennan@...> a écrit :

Tifawin,

Ufigh (ghrigh) yakan snat negh kradh tikkal awal 'tamsunt'
yettusemres s unamek n 'paradis, eldjennet', maca ur t-ufigh ara deg
yisegzawalen (dictionnaires) i d-yeghlin ger ifassen-inew.
Cfigh ufigh-t deg udlis n Mass Cheradi Hocine "Etudes en Linguistique
Tamaziqht".

Ar Tayedh.

--- Dans imedyazen1@..., Omar Amastan Mouffok
<amastan_00@y...> a écrit
>
> Tameddit tamerbuḥt fell-awen,
>
>   Timsunin d yiwet n temdint d tamecṭut, tuzga-d deg ugafa n
Tbeskert (Biskra). Ta d yiwet seg tmiwa ticawiyin n twilayt n
Tberskert.
>
>   Timsunin szelgen-as (sεewjen-as) akk isem-is, rran-
d "Mcunec" s tefṛensist d taεṛabt. Yuγ
lḥal, aṭas n yismawen n yimukan n tmurt n Yicawiyen ay
szelgen neγ sεeṛben-ten, ad d-nawi fell-asen awal
yiwen wass ma yexs Yuc Ameqran.
>
>   Timsunin ur ẓriγ s ttbut d acu ay d anamek-is, maca,
γef wakk-n la d-yettban, d isem unti (féminin) asget (pluriel),
ad yili yekka-d seg wasuf "tamsunt". Isem-a ur t-id-ufiγ ara
yettusseqdac deg kra n tentala (dialecte), d acu kan, ad yili yekka-d
seg "amessun" (win yessnen). Ahat, zik-nni, deg taddart n Temsunin
llant ttidirent temγarin d timrabḍin, d tid yettafken
zzyaṛa (ttkacafent) neγ tijebbaṛin yettdawin medden.
>
>   Yella yiwen wemkan, deg taddart n Tgemmunt n Lejdid, qqaren-
as "Tiniḍifin". Amkan-a yeqreb γer wakal n Tizi Hibel.
Tiniḍifin uzgant-d deg lexla, ur yezdiγ yiwen dinna. D acu
kan, mi ara tawḍeḍ γer din, ad tafeḍ yiwen
wexxam, seg zik ay yella, tura εawden-as lebni, ttzuṛun-t-
id medden. La d-qqaren dakk-n "Tiniḍifin"-agi d tilawin yellan
zedγent deg wexxam-nni zik-nni, ttqadaren-tent medden, llant d
timrabḍin, u asmi mmutent, qqlent d tibaḍniyin.
>
>   Ibaḍniyen (asuf : abaḍni) d ṛṛuḥ n
win yemmuten, yettidir deg tbaḍnit, deg ddunit ur d-nettban
ara, u yettεassa γef medden. Dγa, asmi ay mmutent
tilawin-nni, qqlent d tiεessasin n wemkan-nni, u semman-
as "Tiniḍifin", γef yisem-nsent. Ur neẓri ara d acu-
t unamek n "Tiniḍifin" deg tutlayt (ad yili yekka-d seg wasuf-
singulier "tiniḍift").
>
>   Fkiγ-d amedya-a i wakk-n kan ad d-ssekneγ dakk-n
tikkwal, kra n yismawen n yimukan ttsemmin-ten γef yimdanen
yeddren deg-sen. Maca llan aṭas n yismawen niḍen am wakk-
a.
>
>     Čč Ḍḍ Ğğ Ḥḥ
Γγ
>   Ṛ ṛ Ṣ ṣ̣ Ṭ̣ṭ
Ẓ ẓ Σ ε
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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#398

De: omar derouich <ulusir60@...>
Date: Dimanche 17. Septembre 2006 21:55
Sujet: RE : Re: RE : Re : Isem n wemkan : Timsunin

ulusir60

Timensiwin a gma..."ssuref-iyi ur ssinegh isem-ik)

Asmi mmeslayegh ghef Mass CERRADI, zeghnegh (j'ai critiqué) ayen i yura ghef tmazight, yerna netta ur illi d amusnaw n tesnilsit. Nekkini, daghen, ur lligh ara d amusnaw negh nnigh ifegh mass Cerradi!

Uguren n tira llan maca dir-it win i das-irennun uguren amm mass Beh'buh; netta issawed' almi yughal wayen i yura d afghul (caricature) s wawalen anda llan 3T ! d tiselbi tagi!

Ssuref-iyi ma nnigh-ak belli tzegled mi tsersed Mezdad deg yiwen uswir akw d Cerradi; ssnegh belli d imeghnasen maca myugaren deg yiger n tsekla. Issefk ad tefked i Kisar aylas!

Ghef tira n usefru-w di tesghunt To Topos, issefk ad ak-inigh belli d mass Nabil BUDRAA i izuzzren tira-nni akw d tira i d-iddan deg tesghunt. Nekkin, asmi i das-uznegh isefra-nu uznegh-as ula d tisefsa (ttf) s wayes urigh id'risen-inu, yerna, nnigh-as ma ira (ibgha) ad as-fkegh afus n tallelt deg useghti (correction) n tmedyazt tamazight ans'uf!

Maca, netta, ahat ikuker imi yella d aberselmad (prof) di tesdawit; ur iqbil ara ad issuter afus i kra n umeksa n Wat'las Ameqwran amm nekkini!

Ssaramegh ad nili nemyakaz

S tegmat! (fraternellement)

Eumar

F B <asennan@...> a écrit :

Timensiwin,

Tamezwarut, ula d nek bedregh-d aghbalu-inew, ghef yal yiwen ad iz'er azal-ines.

Tis snat, imyura imazighen merr'a d imeghnasen. Aswir n Mass Cerradi d aswir n Mezdad d wiyid'.

Tis krad', amek armi acku kan ur t-qbiled' ara tarrayt n tira n Mass Cerradi (Nek daghen!) terrid' d ulac. Uguren n tira n tmazight dayen yellan, maci d Cerradi negh d Bahbouh negh d Lahbib Fouad i ten-id-yesnulfan, z'er kan asefru-inek deg tesghunt To Topos!

Ur tezgiled' ara deg wayen i d-tennid' imi d amnad-inek, yal yiwen ghur-es azref ad yel amnad. Key negh Nek negh Mass Cerrad!

Taneggarut, tennid' nessen awal timsunin deg wakal, ad k-d-smektigh kan nwis awal a3rab 'al-jannah' anamek-ines amezwaru d 'urti'...

Ar tayedh

omar derouich <ulusir60@...> wrote:

Timeddiwin! (bonne après-midi)

Izmer lh'al d Mass CERRADI i d-isnulfan awal-nni!

Awal TIMSUNIN nessen-it deg wakal maca ur nessin ara acu n unamek-ines (signification)!

Acu n uswir (niveau) i ila (isâa) mass Cerradi deg yiger n tesnilsit (linguistique)?

Nessen-it d ameghnas ghef tmazight maca ur illi ara d amussnaw deg tmazight.

Ssaramegh ad yili zeglegh deg wayen i d-nnigh!

Tanemmirt

asennan <asennan@...> a écrit :

Tifawin,

Ufigh (ghrigh) yakan snat negh kradh tikkal awal 'tamsunt'
yettusemres s unamek n 'paradis, eldjennet', maca ur t-ufigh ara deg
yisegzawalen (dictionnaires) i d-yeghlin ger ifassen-inew.
Cfigh ufigh-t deg udlis n Mass Cheradi Hocine "Etudes en Linguistique
Tamaziqht".

Ar Tayedh.

--- Dans imedyazen1@..., Omar Amastan Mouffok
<amastan_00@y...> a écrit
>
> Tameddit tamerbuḥt fell-awen,
>
>   Timsunin d yiwet n temdint d tamecṭut, tuzga-d deg ugafa n
Tbeskert (Biskra). Ta d yiwet seg tmiwa ticawiyin n twilayt n
Tberskert.
>
>   Timsunin szelgen-as (sεewjen-as) akk isem-is, rran-
d "Mcunec" s tefṛensist d taεṛabt. Yuγ
lḥal, aṭas n yismawen n yimukan n tmurt n Yicawiyen ay
szelgen neγ sεeṛben-ten, ad d-nawi fell-asen awal
yiwen wass ma yexs Yuc Ameqran.
>
>   Timsunin ur ẓriγ s ttbut d acu ay d anamek-is, maca,
γef wakk-n la d-yettban, d isem unti (féminin) asget (pluriel),
ad yili yekka-d seg wasuf "tamsunt". Isem-a ur t-id-ufiγ ara
yettusseqdac deg kra n tentala (dialecte), d acu kan, ad yili yekka-d
seg "amessun" (win yessnen). Ahat, zik-nni, deg taddart n Temsunin
llant ttidirent temγarin d timrabḍin, d tid yettafken
zzyaṛa (ttkacafent) neγ tijebbaṛin yettdawin medden.
>
>   Yella yiwen wemkan, deg taddart n Tgemmunt n Lejdid, qqaren-
as "Tiniḍifin". Amkan-a yeqreb γer wakal n Tizi Hibel.
Tiniḍifin uzgant-d deg lexla, ur yezdiγ yiwen dinna. D acu
kan, mi ara tawḍeḍ γer din, ad tafeḍ yiwen
wexxam, seg zik ay yella, tura εawden-as lebni, ttzuṛun-t-
id medden. La d-qqaren dakk-n "Tiniḍifin"-agi d tilawin yellan
zedγent deg wexxam-nni zik-nni, ttqadaren-tent medden, llant d
timrabḍin, u asmi mmutent, qqlent d tibaḍniyin.
>
>   Ibaḍniyen (asuf : abaḍni) d ṛṛuḥ n
win yemmuten, yettidir deg tbaḍnit, deg ddunit ur d-nettban
ara, u yettεassa γef medden. Dγa, asmi ay mmutent
tilawin-nni, qqlent d tiεessasin n wemkan-nni, u semman-
as "Tiniḍifin", γef yisem-nsent. Ur neẓri ara d acu-
t unamek n "Tiniḍifin" deg tutlayt (ad yili yekka-d seg wasuf-
singulier "tiniḍift").
>
>   Fkiγ-d amedya-a i wakk-n kan ad d-ssekneγ dakk-n
tikkwal, kra n yismawen n yimukan ttsemmin-ten γef yimdanen
yeddren deg-sen. Maca llan aṭas n yismawen niḍen am wakk-
a.
>
>     Čč Ḍḍ Ğğ Ḥḥ
Γγ
>   Ṛ ṛ Ṣ ṣ̣ Ṭ̣ṭ
Ẓ ẓ Σ ε
>
>
>
>
> ---------------------------------
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#399

De: Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@...>
Date: Lundi 18. Septembre 2006 11:34
Sujet: Tamazight d yiwen-is seg Wat'las Ameqran alamma d At'las n Leqbayel d Wewras

amastan_00

Sslam n Ṛebbi fell-awen,

Amyalel (amεiwen) gar Yimaziγen n tmiwa yemgerraden d ay-n yessefken ad yili, ladγa gar Yimaziγen n Meṛṛuk d wid n Ldzayer d yimeγnasen (militants) iẓewren n Libya.

Ur yessefk ara akk ad neg meḥyaf, ad neg amgerrad u ad nessebεed imaziγwalen (wid yessawalen tamaziγt) n kra n tama imi kan ara nḥulfu dakk-n tamaziγt-is temgerrad γef tin-nneγ (tamaziγt n Tmurt n Leqbayel) : tintalyin (dialectes) timaziγin akk d yiwen-nsent, ur telli tin yifen tayeḍ deg ccbaḥa neγ deg way-n niḍen. Yessefk ad yili wembaddel d ameqran u d ameṛkanti aṭas aṭas gar Yimaziγen s tutlayt tamaziγt u s tutlayt kan tamaziγt, s tmaziγt kan, acku d tutlayt-nni ay γef nqeddec, d tin ay γef nerγa, d tin ay nexs (ay nebγa) ad tidir. Amek ay yezmer kra n lğens ad d-yessukkes (ad d-isellek) tutlayt-is mebla ma yesseqdec-itt d waytmaten-is ?

Daγen, ad asen-geγ ifadden i waytmaten-nneγ n Tmurt n Leqbayel akk-n ssiγen i yiman-nsen tanumi ad qqaren iḍrisen imaziγen ay uran waytmaten-nneγ n Meṛṛuk s tmaziγt, ad issinen s tγawla tintalyin timeṛṛukiyin yernu ay-a yezmer ad yessifses taywalt (communication) gar-aneγ s tmaziγt.

Nekni nemdez (nefṛeḥ) s waytmaten-nneγ Imaziγen n Meṛṛuk d Libya ay d aγ-d-yettarun tibratin, rezzun-d γef udeg d wenmager-nneγ, qqaren ay-n ay d-nettaru yernu cebbḥen-aγ taqaεet s tisin-nsen. Neqqar-asen : anṣ̣uf yis-wen, lεeslama-nwen γer-neγ

Ar timlilit ma yebγa Ṛebbi

Čč Ḍḍ Ğğ Ḥḥ Γγ

Ṛ ṛ Ṣ ṣ̣ Ṭ̣ṭ Ẓ ẓ Σ ε

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#400

De: "asennan" <asennan@...>
Date: Lundi 18. Septembre 2006 19:53
Sujet: RE : Re: RE : Re : Isem n wemkan : Timsunin

asennan

Azul,

Tikkelt nidhen, akken ay terridh i Kisar ayla-s, Kisar-inek d win-
inew maci d yiwen! Aya merr'a ghef nettmeslay d tamsalt n tmughli n
umdan. Maci imi ghur-ek Mass Mezdad yelha at'as, ay Mass Cerradi d
yir-it at'as.

S timuzzeght,
][ares.


--- Dans imedyazen1@..., omar derouich <ulusir60@y...> a
écrit
>
> Timensiwin a gma..."ssuref-iyi ur ssinegh isem-ik)
>   Asmi mmeslayegh ghef Mass CERRADI, zeghnegh (j'ai critiqué) ayen
i yura ghef tmazight, yerna netta ur illi d amusnaw n tesnilsit.
Nekkini, daghen, ur lligh ara d amusnaw negh nnigh ifegh mass Cerradi!
>   Uguren n tira llan maca dir-it win i das-irennun uguren amm mass
Beh'buh; netta issawed' almi yughal wayen i yura d afghul
(caricature) s wawalen anda llan 3T ! d tiselbi tagi!
>   Ssuref-iyi ma nnigh-ak belli tzegled mi tsersed Mezdad deg yiwen
uswir akw d Cerradi; ssnegh belli d imeghnasen maca myugaren deg
yiger n tsekla. Issefk ad tefked i Kisar aylas!
>   Ghef tira n usefru-w di tesghunt To Topos, issefk ad ak-inigh
belli d mass Nabil BUDRAA i izuzzren tira-nni akw d tira i d-iddan
deg tesghunt. Nekkin, asmi i das-uznegh isefra-nu uznegh-as ula d
tisefsa (ttf) s wayes urigh id'risen-inu, yerna, nnigh-as ma ira
(ibgha) ad as-fkegh afus n tallelt deg useghti (correction) n
tmedyazt tamazight ans'uf!
>   Maca, netta, ahat ikuker imi yella d aberselmad (prof) di
tesdawit; ur iqbil ara ad issuter afus i kra n umeksa n Wat'las
Ameqwran amm nekkini!
>   Ssaramegh ad nili nemyakaz
>   S tegmat! (fraternellement)
>   Eumar
>
>
> F B <asennan@y...> a écrit :
>     Timensiwin,
>
>   Tamezwarut, ula d nek bedregh-d aghbalu-inew, ghef yal yiwen ad
iz'er azal-ines.
>   Tis snat, imyura imazighen merr'a d imeghnasen. Aswir n Mass
Cerradi d aswir n Mezdad d wiyid'.
>   Tis krad', amek armi acku kan ur t-qbiled' ara tarrayt n tira n
Mass Cerradi (Nek daghen!) terrid' d ulac. Uguren n tira n tmazight
dayen yellan, maci d Cerradi negh d Bahbouh negh d Lahbib Fouad i ten-
id-yesnulfan, z'er kan asefru-inek deg tesghunt To Topos!
>   Ur tezgiled' ara deg wayen i d-tennid' imi d amnad-inek, yal
yiwen ghur-es azref ad yel amnad. Key negh Nek negh Mass Cerrad!
>
>   Taneggarut, tennid' nessen awal timsunin deg wakal, ad k-d-
smektigh kan nwis awal a3rab 'al-jannah' anamek-ines amezwaru
d 'urti'...
>
>   Ar tayedh
>
> omar derouich <ulusir60@y...> wrote:
>     Timeddiwin! (bonne après-midi)
>   Izmer lh'al d Mass CERRADI i d-isnulfan awal-nni!
>   Awal TIMSUNIN nessen-it deg wakal maca ur nessin ara acu n unamek-
ines (signification)!
>   Acu n uswir (niveau) i ila (isâa) mass Cerradi deg yiger n
tesnilsit (linguistique)?
>   Nessen-it d ameghnas ghef tmazight maca ur illi ara d amussnaw
deg tmazight.
>   Ssaramegh ad yili zeglegh deg wayen i d-nnigh!
>   Tanemmirt
>
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> Ufigh (ghrigh) yakan snat negh kradh tikkal awal 'tamsunt'
> yettusemres s unamek n 'paradis, eldjennet', maca ur t-ufigh ara
deg
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> <amastan_00@y...> a écrit
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> > Tameddit tamerbuḥt fell-awen,
> >
> >   Timsunin d yiwet n temdint d tamecṭut, tuzga-d deg ugafa
n
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> yettusseqdac deg kra n tentala (dialecte), d acu kan, ad yili yekka-
d
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> llant ttidirent temγarin d timrabḍin, d tid yettafken
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#401

De: Omar Amastan Mouffok <amastan_00@...>
Date: Mardi 19. Septembre 2006 14:26
Sujet: Tamughli n Bahbouh

amastan_00

Taṣ̣ebḥit tamerbuḥt fell-awen,

Mass Bahbouh Lahcene nemmuger-it-id acḥal d abrid deg temliliyin ay d-yettilin γef tutlayt tamaziγt, yernu nesqerdic yid-s γef yisumar-is (proposition) deg way-n yerzan tira n tmaziγt. Mass Bahbouh yesεa timuγliwin d "tiquranin", d adduden (positions) ay yes yettuqenneε γas mgerradent (mxallafent) s waṭas γef way-n yettwagan ar ass-a i lmend n usseqεed n tutlayt tamaziγt.

Yuγ lḥal, akk-n ay d-yenna gma-tneγ Asennan, akk wid yettarun tamaziγt d imeγnasen, yernu wid ay d-yettekkan deg wesnerni n tira n tmaziγt ur llin akk-iten d imassanen, wanag amur ameqran deg-sen d imaswaḍen (amateurs), u yiwen deg-sen d nekk.

Ad εerḍeγ kan ad d-fkeγ dagi kra n tenqiḍin ay ttwaliγ dakk-n Mass Bahbouh Lahcene yecceḍ deg-sent (anamek-is yebεed deg-sent aṭas γef webrid ay d-wwin yimassanen niḍen) :

Tamenzut, deg way-n yerzan asserkem (classification) n tmaziγt, Mass Bahbouh la tt-yettwali d tutlayt tahenduṛufit. Yuγ lḥal, werεad ur γriγ ara kra n weḍris ay deg ara d-yessefham ay-a s ttfaṣ̣il, maca yewwi-iyi-d Ṛebbi dakk-n arbaε-a yeqqnen tamaziγt γer twacult n tutlayin tihenduṛufiyin qurnen kra n wawalen n tutlayt-nneγ γer wawalen n kra n tutlayin tihenduṛufiyin, ufan-ten ttemcabin, dγa d ay-a ara ten-yessawḍen alamma nnan-d dakk-n tamaziγt seg twacult-a. Nnig way-a, yessefk ad d-nger tamawt s wazal-is deg wanect-a : neẓra akk dakk-n awal "ahenduṛufi" qqnent γer-s aṭas n tekta (lfekrat) yerzan taγerma, idles akk d umezruy. Neẓra dakk-n idles uṛufi (européen) neγ aγerbi d netta ay d idles "aεlayan" deg wallen n waṭas n medden (Uṛufiyen qqimen d leqrun la sselḥayen γef yiman-nsen tikta-a ay deg la ttwalin iman-nsen d nitni ay yifen akk leğnas yernu d taγerma-nsen ay yifen akk tiγermiwin). Dγa, mi ara nwali ass-a s azal ay tesεa tegrigit taqburt (taqdimt), talatinit akk d teglizit, u ad d-naf dakk-n llan kra n wawalen n tmaziγt yettemcabin γer kra n wawalen n tutlayin-a, ay-a ad yili d "iseγ ameqran" i tmaziγt : tamaziγt ad taf amkan-is ger "tutlayin n tγerma, am tegrigit d tlatinit" !!! A rrezg-is !!! Σni nufa ay-a yernu nugi-t ? D ay-a ara ttwaliγ d ssebba tuffirt, d ssebba tagejdant (principale) ara yettawin kra ad d-inin ay-a. Tamuγli-a, akk-n yebγu yili, d imeskaren (auteurs) ifṛensisen imezwura yuran γef tmaziγt ay tt-id-yebdan, deg lqern wis 19.

Yuγ lḥal, maci as-d kan ad d-tesbegneḍ dakk-n tamaziγt teqqen γer twacult-a neγ γer twacult-inna, wanag yessefk aṭas n unadi deg wanect-a. Imesnilsiyen (linguistes) yetmekknen deg wennar-a qqimen azal n lqern akk-n ad d-sbegnen dakk-n tamaziγt d tutlayt tafrusyawit (afro-asiatique), maci d tahenduṛufit : aqaren gar tutlayin ur yelli ara deg tmawalt kan (lexique), wanag yessefk ad nqaren tutlayin ula deg tesnislit-nsent (phonologie), deg tesnalγa-nsent (morphologie) akk d tseddast-nsent (synthaxe), ay-a, γas amnet-iyi, ur fessus ara, yernu amdan yeḥwağ ad inadi d iseggasen i wakk-n ad d-yessebgen dakk-n snat n tutlayin ttemcabint, kkant-d seg yiwen n uẓar, neγ tutlayt-a tettekka deg twacult-a n tutlayin.

Bahbouh Lahcene yesεa tasnarrayt (méthodologie), anamek-is (lmeεna-s) yessen amek ara d-yefk ifukal (arguments), yernu yal tanqiḍt ay γef ara d-yemmeslay, ad d-yefk fell-as ifukal ibanen, ad ten-id-yessefhem akk-n yessefk, d acu kan, yewwi-iyi-d Ṛebbi dakk-n ur nezmir ara ad d-nemmeslay γef kra n wejdel (thèse), ad d-nefk fell-as ifukal u ad neεreḍ ad d-nessebgen dakk-n yella mebla ma neqqel γer yedlisen ay d-uran wiyaḍ γef temsalt-a, mebla ma neqqel γer tmuγliwin d yifukal n wid ay aγ-yezwaren deg wanect-a. Γef umedya (lemtel), amek ay zemreγ ad d-mmeslayeγ γef tmaceγt mebla ma qqleγ γer leqdicat n kra seg yimassanen yettwassnen deg unadi γef tentala-a, gar-asen K.G. Prasse, Cortade neγ Ababat de Faucault. Γas ma yella mgerradeγ yid-sen (mxallafeγ), imi yal yiwen yettalas ad d-yini tamuγli-ines, γas temgerrad γef tin n medden akk, maca ur yessefk ara ad rreγ deg yidis ay-n d-uran yimassanen imeqranen am wigi, u ad ten-rreγ amzun ur ssinen ara, amzun ur d-wwin acemma, u ad geγ kan ṛṛay-iw. Mass Bahbouh Lahcene la yettebεad aṭas γef yijedlen (thèses) n wiyaḍ yernu ur yesteεṛif ara akk, seg lqaεa, s way-n ay d-yeqqar umur ameqran deg yimassanen.

Tanqiḍt tis snat ay γef xseγ ad d-mmeslayeγ nettat d tin n teγdirawt (orthographe) : ay-n iceγben Bahbouh Lahcene s waṭas netta d taγdirawt tamaziγt. Yessefk ad tili teγdirawt tamaziγt i wakk-n ad tili tmaziγt d tutlayt yettwarun am tiyaḍ, d tutlayt fessusen i welmad, i usseqdec deg tira akk d tγuri. D acu kan, Mass Bahbouh Lahcene yugi ad nettaru tamaziγt s yezmal n ussemgerrad (signes diacritiques), am wakk-n yugi ad nettaru "akk-n ay nsell" neγ "akk-n ay d-nneṭṭeq" , wanag yessefk ad neg ilugan (règles) ara aγ-yeğğen ad nesεu taγdirawt d tiseddit (timdeqqeqt), maca ur teqrib ara γer wamek ay d-nneṭṭeq swaswa kan. Da, yezmer ad yili weskasi (débat) d ameqran γef temsalt-a, acku, ay-n iceγben aṭas Mass Bahbouh netta d abeddel ay ttbeddilen wawalen n tmaziγt talγa-nsen (forme), dγa d ay-n ara yeğğen almad n tutlayt-nneγ ad yewεeṛ ma nquren-it γer win n tutlayin niḍen.

Mass Bahbouh Lahcene la yettwali dakk-n taγdirawt (orthographe) yessefk ad tili d tin ara inefεen tutlayt-is, maci d tin ara "tt-id-yesxerbubcen" akk-n kan tella, d tin ara tt-id-yessunγen (ara tt-id-iṛesmen) akk-n tella. D ay-a ay t-yeğğan ad d-yeg taγdirawt ay deg tira n wesget (pluriel) n yisem ur ttemgerrad ara γef tin n wasuf-is, u, γef leḥsab n wakk-n ay d-yeqqar, taγdirawt-a tezmer ad aγ-teğğ ad nẓer amek ara yili wesget n kra n yisem γas ma yella werğin nessen-it. Am wakk-n deg tefṛensist, neẓra dakk-n awal "chat" asget-ines d "chats" (ad as-nernu kan "s" n wesget), Bahbouh Lahcene iga-d yiwen n unagraw (système) n teγdirawt ay deg nezmer ad nẓer srid (directement) amek yezmer ad yili wesget n kra n yisem, izri n kra n wemyag, unti n kra n yisem amalay, atg.

Ta d takti igerrzen deg umenzay (dans le principe), maca taγdirawt-ines seg wakk-n tewεeṛ alamma ay uguren-nni ay yella yebγa ad t-yefru yeqqel yeγli-d deg-s. Yuγ lḥal, netta yella yebγa ad d-yeg taγdirawt (orthographe) d talugant (régulière), d acu kan, taγdirawt-a tewεeṛ ama i welmad, ama i tγuri, ladγa imi ay yesmenyaf ad yesseqdec kan 26-nni n yisekkilen yellan deg ugemmay (alphabet) alatini, mebla ma yerna-d izmal n ussemgerrad (signes diacritiques). I wakk-n ad yaru kra seg yimesliyen (leṣ̣wat) n tmaziγt ur nelli ara deg 26 n yisekkilen ilatiniyen, yesseqdac sin neγ tikkwal 3 neγ 4 yisekkilen !!! Yernu ay-a yettcemmit aṭas tira n tutlayt. Tin yernan γer-s, yewweḍ alamma ay ibeddel azal i yiwen n usekkil alatini, u yefka-yas azal niḍen, ur t-yesεi ara akk deg tutlayin niḍen : asekkil "p" yefka-yas azal n "γ", deg tmaziγt.

Yuγ lḥal, llant aṭas n tutlayin n umaḍal (ddunit) ay yettarun s ugammay alatini, aṭas deg-sent ur ten-id-ttkafin ara 26-nni n yisekkilen n tlatinit, dγa ttgent am tmaziγt : wayemma ad d-rnunt izmal n ussemgerrad (signes diacritiques) i yisekkilen ilatiniyen yellan yagi deg ugemmay n 26 n yisekkilen, wayemma ad d-rnunt kra n yisekkilen d imaynuten (ur llin deg ugemmay alatini : am tislandit d tazirit, neγ tamaziγt ay d-yernan tlata n yisekkilen igrigiyen : Σ, ε, γ), wayemma ad as-tbeddel azal i kra n usekkil yellan yagi deg ugemmay alatini, u ad teqqel tutlayt-nni ad d-teqqar asekkil-nni s wudem niḍen. Γef umedya, deg tmaziγt, "c" neqqar-it-id [sh/sch/ch/ش], deg lweqt ay deg deg tefṛensist d teglizit qqaren-t-id [s/k], ma deg talmanit [ts], atg. Ma deg laṣ̣el, "c" llan qqaren-t-id [č] deg tlatinit (mi ara yili uqbel n "e" d "i"), neγ [k] uqbel n "a, o, u"). D acu kan, γas ma yella tutlayin ttbeddilent azal i kra n yisekkilen n ugemmay alatini, s umata, ur ttṛuḥunt ara γer lbeεd deg wanect-a : ur ttbeddilent ara akk-n kan d-tusa, wanag dima asekkil-nni ttbeddilen-as anṭaq akk-n ur yettebεad ara γef wenṭaq-nni-ines aneṣ̣li. D acu kan, yella wemgerrad ameqran ger wenṭaq n "p" akk d "γ". Lemmer ad nekker ad d-nesnulfu kra n teγdirawt i kra n tutlayt, sakk-in ad nger tamawt dakk-n tutlayt-nni tesεa imesli (ṣ̣ṣ̣ut) [ğ] maca ur tesεi ara imesli [d], ihi nezmer ad neddem asekkil "d" u neqqel ad nettaru yis-s [ğ]. Ayγer ? Acku anṭaq n [d] akk d [ğ] yella-d deg-s kra n wemcabi. Maca ur zmireγ ara ad d-ddmeγ asekkil "n" u ad ssutreγ deg medden ad t-id-neṭṭqen [ğ], acku "n" ur yettemcabi ara akk deg wenṭaq-ines γer [ğ]. Ulac tutlayt igan ay-a, ihi ayγer ula d nekni ad nṛuḥ γer mebεid deg tγawsiwin am tigi ?

Ur fessus ara γef wemdan ad d-yessumer kra n teγdirawt (orthographe) kan akk-a γef medden u ad iγil dakk-n ad tt-ḍefren s tefses. Tutlayt ur telli ara d ayla kan n wid ay yettnadin ad tt-sqeεden neγ n wayt tsekla, wanag tutlayt d ayla n yimawlan-is akk, akk wid ay tt-yettmeslayen neγ sseqdacen-tt. Wigi akk terza-ten temsalt n usseqεed n tutlayt (aménagement linguistique) yernu qqaren-d ṛṛay-nsen mi ur ten-tettaεğab ara kra n tγawsa. Γef umedya (lemtel), kra n Yefṛensisen ttcetkin-d imi ay tewεeṛ teγdirawt n tutlayt-nsen. Ula d kra n Yimaziγen la d-ttcetkin ass-a γef usseqdec n ugemmay alatini d wemgerrad (lxilaf) ameqran yettilin deg tira gar umeskar-a d umeskar-inna (auteur). Dγa yewwi-iyi-d Ṛebbi dakk-n, lemmer d lebγi, ma nessumer-d kra deg tutlayt, ur yessefk ara ad yili d kra ur as-nettaεğab ara i wegdud (public) yellan d bab n tutlayt-nni. Ay-a yerza ula d awalen imaynuten (ijdiden). Ihi ur yessefk ad d-nesnulfu tira ara yilin weεṛent i welmad, i tγuri akk d usseqdec, am teγdirawt n Mass Bahbouh, ur yessefk ad d-nesnulfu awalen ara yilin ur cbiḥen ara, ẓẓayit i usseqdec yernu weεṛen i welmad.

Deg way-n yerzan tigin ay yugi Mass Bahbouh ad nettaru tamaziγt "akk-n tettwaṭaq", netta la yettwali dakk-n abrid-a d win ay yes neḥqer tamaziγt, wanag tutlayin "yesεan azal" d tid ay yettwarun s teγdirawt (orthographe) am tefṛensist d teglizit. Mass Bahbouh yugi assifses d wesḥerfi (simplification) ay deg ay as-neqqar : Yiwen yimesli (ṣ̣ṣ̣ut) ad t-naru s yiwen n usekkil (lḥeṛf), wanag yettwali dakk-n yessefk ad nesseqdec, ma terra tmara, sin, kraḍ neγ ugar n yisekkilen akk-n ad naru yiwen n yimesli. Deg yiwet n temlilit ay d-yellan deg Zeralda, γef usseqεed n tutlayt tamaziγt (aménagement linguistique), deg Magu n 2004, steqsaγ Mass Bahbouh γef tutlayin niḍen yesseqdacen taγdirawt am tin n tmaziγt : yuγ lḥal, amur ameqran deg tutlayin yettwarun s ugemmay alatini sseqdacent amenzay-a (principe) n "yiwen n yimesli = yiwen n usekkil", yernu ay-n ara d-yesbanen ay-a netta dakk-n tutlayin niḍen, am tespenyulit, tapuṛtugalit, taswidit neγ ula d talmanit ur wεiṛent ara tira-nsent am tin n tefṛensist. Deg tutlayin-nni ay d-bedreγ, akk-n d-ttwanṭaqen wawalen ay ttwarun (am deg tmaziγt), yernu fessuset tγuri deg-sent, wanag deg tefṛensist d teglizit, maci dima akk-n yettwaru wawal ara d-yettwaγra : yella wemgerrad d ameqran, tikkwal, ger tira d tγuri, yernu d ay-a ay yesweεṛen taγuri d welmad n tira n snat-agi n tutlayin tineggura.

Mass Bahbouh Lahcene la yettwali dakk-n lweεṛan n tira n teglizit d tefṛensist d azmul (signe) n temkant taεlayant ay sεant tutlayin-a. Netta yeqqar-d dakk-n tutlayin am tigi sεant taγdirawt, yernu, akk-n ay iyi-d-yenna deg temlilit n Magu 2004, tutlayin niḍen, am tespenyulit, tapuṛtugalit, talmanit neγ taṭerkit "ur sεint ara taγdirawt". Da yella wugur d ameqran, imi, icebba-iyi Ṛebbi dakk-n tabadut (définition) ay yettafk Mass Bahbouh i teγdirawt temgerrad (temxallaf) γef tin ay as-ttafken ... medden meṛṛa !!! Yewwi-iyi-d Ṛebbi dakk-n γer Mass Bahbouh ala ma qqlent tira n kra n tutlayt weεṛent, ara tettusemma tesεa taγdirawt, wanag ma qqiment fessusit, ur ttusemmayent ara d taγdirawt. Yuγ lḥal, ay-a yesskan-d dakk-n Mass Bahbouh ur yeṭṭif ara talemmast (am wakk-n yessefk ad neg mi ara nili la ntteg kra n leqdic ussnan). Deg tussna, yessefk γef wemdan ad yeṭṭef talemmast, ur yettmal s idis-a wala s idis-inna mebla ssebba, maca amali ay imal Mass Bahbouh γer tefṛensist d teglizit, d tmuγli ay tent-yettmuqul d nitenti ay d imedyaten (modèles, exemples) ay yessefk ad ten-neḍfer akk-n ad as-d-neg i tutlayt-nneγ "taγdirawt" ... ay-a ur yelli d ussnan (scientifique).

Tabadut n teγdirawt (orthographe) fessiset, d taḥerfit, tban : awal-a yekka-d seg wezwir "ΓD" (yettusseqdac deg unamek n "uṣ̣eggem", am "ortho-" deg tegrigit), akk d wawal "tirawt" (d asuf-singulier n "tira"). Dγa "taγdirawt" anamek-is d "tira iṣeggmen, iqeεden", d tira ur nezlig ara. Ma deg tutlayt, "taγdirawt" d abrid ay ttwalin medden yeqwem, iṣ̣eggem, yeqεed akk-n ad arun yis-s tutlayt-nsen. Γas ma yella abrid-a "yecceḍ", maca ma yella medden la t-ttwalin d win ara yeffγen fell-asen, ihi as as-nsemmi d "taγdirawt", ama neqbel-it neγ ala. Taγdirawt, mi ara msefhamen fell-as medden, tseεεu ilugan (règles), d ay-a ay tt-yettarran teqεed. Ma yella nenna-d "yiwen n yimesli s yiwen n usekkil", yagi nezmer ad d-nini dakk-n nesεa alugen, dγa yagi nezmer ad d-nini dakk-n tutlayt-nneγ tesεa taγdirawt, u skud bab-is mazal yettqadar alugen-nni, ur nezmir ara ad d-nini dakk-n yeffeγ γef teγdirawt-nneγ. Tiγawsiwin-agi yessefk γef Mass Bahbouh ad d-yerr lwelha-s γer-sent.

Ma yella ass-a tiγdirawin (orthographes) n tefṛensist d teglizit mgerradent (mxallafent) aṭas γef wamek ay d-ttwanṭaqent tutlayin-a, yessefk fell-aneγ ad nẓer dakk-n maci d Ifṛensisen d Yegliziyen ay yextaren ad ilint lumuṛ akk-a, wanag lweεṛan-agi yusa-d d anelkam (conséquence) n temhezt (évolution) n tutlayin-agi deg umezruy. Γef umedya (lemtel), ayγer "ch" tikkwal yettwanṭaq-d [c], tikkwal yettwanṭaq-d [k] deg tefṛensist ?

(chat [c], choeur [k], chercher [c], chélonien [k], atg.). Yuγ lḥal, amur ameqran deg wawalen ay deg "ch" yettwanṭaq [k] laṣ̣el-nsen seg tegrigit. Awalen-a kecmen-d γer tefṛensist seg tlatinit. Ilatiniyen, zik-nni, uran-ten s "ch", sakk-in, ifṛensisen akk-n ay ten-id-weṛten deg tira-nsen, u kemmlen la ten-ttarun akk-n ar ass-a, γas ma yella "ch" deg tefṛensist n wass-a yettwanṭaq-d [c] deg wawalen niḍen. Ad d-nefk amedya niḍen : i wacu s tefṛensist nettaru "science" ass-a, s usekkil "c" deg lweqt ay deg tafṛensist ur teḥwağ ara ad d-ternu asekkil-nni i wakk-n ad d-tenṭeq [s] ? Nezmer ad naru "sience" neγ "siens", ma yehwa-yaγ. D acu kan, tafṛensist tewṛet-d awal-agi daγen seg tlatinit. Deg tutlayt n Ṛṛuman, awal "scientia" anamek-is "tamussni". Asekkil "c" llan Ṛṛuman neṭṭqen-t-id [č], d acu kan, i wakk-n ad t-id-neṭqen [c/ch/sh/ش], rennun-as "s" : s + c = sc [c/ش]. Maca, asmi ay yekcem wawal n "scientia" γer tefṛensist, Ifṛensisen qqlen neṭṭqen-t-id "sience". Ass-a, nitni ur ḥwaven ara isekkilen am wigi, imi ay ten-ttarun kan maca ur ten-id-neṭṭqen ara, yernu ay-a d yiwen seg tγawsiwin yesweεṛen tutlayin-a ladγa deg way-n yerzan almad n tira d tγuri, maca, imawlan n tutlayin-a smenyafen ad ğğen isekkilen-a. Wigi qqaren-asen isekkilen isnettiyen (lettres étymologiques) : ğğan-tent, s umata, akk-n ad εeqlen d acu-t laṣ̣el n wawal-a neγ n wawal-inna : mi ara nwali γer wawal "science", ad yifsus fell-aneγ ad nẓer dakk-n yekka-d seg wawal alatini "scientia". D acu kan, tamussni n laṣ̣el n wawal ur tesεi ara azal d ameqran deg usseqec n tutlayt n wass-a, yernu amur ameqran deg medden ur ten-id-yerzi ara way-a. Tis snat, u tikkwal, ttağğan isekkilen-a akk-n ad gen amgerrad ger sin wawalen yesεan yiwen n weṇtaq maca ur sεin ara yiwen n unamek (lmeεna). Γef umedya, yella wemgerrad gar "sceptique" akk d "septique" deg tefṛensist.

La nettwali dakk-n tutlayin mgerradent : lemmer ufin Yefṛensisen tili ad sεun ass-a taγdirawt fessusen am tin n tespenyulit, taṭalyanit neγ tapuṛtugalit. Γef umedya, taspenyulit ur d-tecliε ara seg yisekkilen-agi isnettiyen (étymologiques) ay yessewεaṛen tutlayt : ttarun "filosofia", maci "philosophia", ttarun "ciencia", maci "sciencia", atg. Dγa ula d tamsalt-a yessefk γef Mass Bahbouh ad yerr lwelha-s γer-s. A win yufan ur yettḍafar ara amedya n tefṛensist d teglizit kan akk-a, s tuqqna n wallen.

D acu kan, Mass Bahbouh Lahcene iger-d deg wennar kra n temsal yeḥwağen askasi (débat). Γef umedya (lemtel), Bahbouh yemmeslay-d γef lweεṛan n unadi n wawalen deg umawal (dictionnaire) amaziγ. Yuγ lḥal, mi ara qqareγ kra n weḍris s tutlayt tafṛensist, sakk-in, ad d-mlileγ d kra n wawal ur ssineγ ara, mi ara ddmeγ amawal n tefṛensist u ad t-id-nadiγ deg-s, ad d-nadiγ awal-nni γef leḥsab n usekkil-is amezwaru. Ma yella awal-nni la d-ibedden s "M", ad t-id-nadiγ srid deg usekkil "M" n umawal. D acu kan, deg tmaziγt, maci akk awalen ay d-nettemlili deg yeḍrisen beddun-d s usekkil (lḥeṛf) ay yes d-rsen deg umawal. Nekni nesseqdac deg yeḍrisen-nneγ awalen s talγiwin (formes) yemgerraden (yemxallafen) : isem nezmer ad t-naf deg waddad ilelli (argaz), sakk-in, nezmer ad t-id-nemlil deg waddad amaruz (wergaz), sakk-in deg wesget (irgazen) neγ deg waddad amaruz n wesget (yergazen), ihi, yiwen kan yisem yesεa 4 n talγiwin, u ibeddu-d s 4 yisekkilen yemgerraden : d acu n usekkil ay deg ara t-id-nadiγ deg umawal amaziγ ? Ma yella nekk maci d Amaziγ, ur ssineγ ara ula d yiwen wawal deg tmaziγt, neγ akk-n kan ay bdiγ la tt-lemmdeγ, amek ay zemreγ ad ẓreγ dakk-n "wergaz, irgazen d yergazen" akk d yiwen-nsen, u yessefk ad nadiγ "argaz" ? Yernu amek ay yessefk ad nesmezwir awalen deg umawal amaziγ ?

Mass Bahbouh Lahcene yesmenyaf ad yebḍu awal akk d teγri-ines n tezwara (voyelle initiale), dγa, ad neqqel ad nettaru "ta maziptt" (ta maziγt), imi netta yettwali dakk-n tiγri-nni n tezwara d "amagrad" (article). Yuγ lḥal, tamsalt n umagrad deg tmaziγt ạtas ay uran fell-as yimassanen n tmaziγt, u ass-a, amur ameqran deg-sen msefhamen dakk-n tutlayt-nneγ ur tesεi amagrad (am wakk-n ay t-tesεa tefṛensist, taglizit neγ talmanit : la, le, les, the, a, der, die, das, atg.). Maca ay-n ay d-yessumer Bahbouh d yiwet seg tifratin ay izemren ad frunt ugur-a. Netta yebḍa gar teγri n tezwara n ufeggag (radical) : a rgaz, ta meṭṭut, atg., sakk-in, deg umawal (dictionnaire) ara d-yessumer netta, nezmer ad naf awalen rsen-d s usekkil amezwaru n yifeggagen-nsen (rgaz, meṭṭut, qcic, atg.), maca abrid-a ur yelli d tifrat ikemlen i wugur-a.

Ma yella nessers awalen s wesmizwer n ugemmay, llan aṭas n wawalen, akk-n d-nenna, ur nzemmer ara ad ten-id-naf ma yella nnuda-ten s yisekkilen ay yes ur d-beddun ara deg umawal. Llan kra εerḍen ad frun ugur-agi s tserrusi n yisem s talγiwin-is n wesget (pluriel) akk d wunti (féminin) deg umawal : deg umawal n Massaw Idres d Madi (Amawal n Ameγradan n Tmaziγt s Snat n Tutlayin, tiẓrigin n Jazz, 2003), wigi ssersen-d awalen-nsen s wesmizwer n ugemmay, sakk-in, ssersen-d ismawen deg wasuf (s yisekkilen-nsen n tazwara), u ssersen-ten-id daγen s yisegten-nsen). Ay-a ad yessemγer aṭas amawal, yernu ad yeğğ bab-is ad d-iεawed i waṭas n wawalen deg umawal-is u ay-a d ay-n n diri. Nnig way-a, amawal am win n Idres d Madi ur d-yesris ara addad amaruz (état d'annexion) n yismawen deg wasuf d wesget, am wakk-n ur d-yesris ara talγiwin yemgerraden (yemxallafen) n yemyagen deg tseftit (conjugaison). Yuγ lḥal, d awezγi γef umawal ad d-yessers akk talγiwin n wawalen yellan deg tutlayt. Amyag "krez" nezmer ad t-naf s wazal n 50 n talγiwin yemgerraden deg yeḍrisen n tmaziγt : "La ikerrez s tyuga", "kerzeγ tamazirt-nneγ", "ur tekriz ara ula d tardast" (ikerrez, kerzeγ, tekriz, nekriz, nkerrez, krizeγ, tekrizeḍ, atg.), maca, deg umawal, nezmer ad naf amyag-a ala kan s talγa-ines n wanaḍ (impératif) deg wudem wis sin n wasuf (kečč/kemm) : krez.

Yuγ lḥal, wa d ugur yerzag akk tutlayin tafrusyawiyin (afro-asiatiques), am tutlayin tisamiyin. D acu kan, amur ameqran deg tutlayin-a ur ttwarunt ara s ugemmay alatini, wanag sεant igemmayen-nsent i yiman-nsent. Igemmayen n tutlayin tafrusyawiyin (ladγa tutlayin tisamiyin), ttarun kan, s umata, tirgalin (consonnes) n tutlayt neγ (deg tegnit n temhaṛit -amharique- tutlayt n Ityupya), ttarun ula d kra n tunṭiqin (syllabes). Igemmayen-a, deg umawal, srusuyen-d awalen, s umata, γef leḥsab n yiẓuran-nsen. Dγa, deg taεṛabt, awal "sallamtu" (fkiγ) ad t-id-afeγ deg uẓar n "SLM", u deg wemyag n "sallama" (yefka, efk). Sakk-in, deg uẓar-nni zemreγ ad d-afeγ akk awalen n taεṛabt ay d-yettussuddmen seg-s (tasliim - tukci; musallim : win yettafken, win yefkan; musallam : win yettunefken; istaslama : yekna, yefka iman-is i kra, i wexṣ̣im, atg.). Ula deg tmaziγt nezmer ad neḍfer abrid-a, yernu, taswiεt-a, d wagi kan ay tt-waliγ d abrid ara tt-yefrun. Nezmer ad nxemmem ad nesmizwer awalen s sin n yiberdan deg umawal : amenzu, nezmer ad nesmezwir deg-s awalen s webrid n yimawalen n tutlayin niḍen yettwarun s ugemmay alatini, ma d wis sin, nezmer ad nxemmem ad d-nernu umuγ (liste) n yiẓuran n wawalen-nni ay d-yettwabedren deg umawal-nni, sakk-in yal d aẓar ad d-nefk akk awalen ay d-yettussuddmen seg-s.

Dγa s way-a, nezmer ad nesεu amawal ara yesεun snat n tewsatin (leṣ̣naf) n uṣ̣eggem n wawalen :

Ababat

Ababder

Abakuṛ

Abalmud

Abendayer ... atg.

Deg tgara n wedlis-nni, ad d-naf awalen ṣeggmen s yiẓuran :

BB - 1- ababat, baba, abba, atg.

2- abiba

3- asbibbi, bibb, ibibbi, sbibb

BBDR - ababder

BKṚ - abakuṛ

BLMD - abalmud (ẓer aẓar LMD)

BNDYR - abendayer (ẓer aẓar MNDYR)

Akk-a, mi ara lemdeγ dakk-n "kerzeγ" d amyag yettusseftin (verbe conjugué), ad nadiγ kan tigalin n "KRZ" (mebla ma sseddaγ-d "γ", acku wa iban d azmul n tseftit), dγa deg uẓar "KRZ" ad d-afeγ amyag-nni ay lliγ la t-ttnadiγ.

D ta ay ttwaliγ d tifrat yelhan i wugur-agi ay γef ay d-yemmeslay Mass Bahbouh.

Daγen, Mass Bahbouh iḥettet-d γef uqader n yilugan (règles) n ussuddem (dérivation) n wawalen deg tmaziγt. Mass Bahbouh yenna-yaγ-d deg yiwet seg tebratin-is dakk-n iger-as-d tamawt i Dda Lmulud, ad fell-as yeεfu Ṛebbi γef wesget n wawal "imesli". Yuγ lḥal, deg Tmawalt (lexique) n tmaziγt tatrart, asget n "imesli" netta d "imesla". D acu kan, γef wakk-n ay d-yenna Mass Bahbouh, awal yesεan talγa am "imesli" (iR1eR2R3i, R d targalt-consonne) ur yezmir ara ad yesεu asget-ines s talγa n "IR1eR2R3a", u ay-a nezmer ad t-nẓer deg wennar, deg tutlayt-nneγ :

imensi (iR1eR2R3i) >>> imensiyen (iR1eR2R3iyen) maci "imensa"

imekli (iR1eR2R3i) >>>> imekliyen (iR1eR2R3iyen) maci "imekla"

Dγa ula d Dda Lmulud, ad fell-as yeεfu Ṛebbi yefka-yas lḥeqq. D tidet, d ṣ̣ṣ̣wab ay d-yenna Mass Bahbouh, yernu seg wasmi ay d-nerra lwelha-nneγ s ay-a, deg 2002, neqqel, deg tiddukla-nneγ, la nqeddec akk-n ad d-nebnu awalen imaynuten ara yeddun d yilugan n ussudem n wawalen (règles de dérivation lexicale) n tmaziγt, ur d-nessuddum ara kan awalen akk-a, u nneṣ̣ṣ̣eḥ aytmaten-nneγ ay iqeddcen γef ussuddem n wawalen ad d-rren lwelha-nsen γer yilugan iqburen (iqdimen) n tmaziγt deg ussuddem n wawalen.

Γas ma yella nneyya n Mass Bahbouh teṣ̣fa γer tama n tmaziγt, maca la nettwali dakk-n yebεed aṭas γef way-n ay γef nemsefham ass-a (anamek-is amur ameqran deg wid yettarun tamaziγt s ugemmay alatini). Maca, seg tama niḍen, Mass Bahbouh yessers-d s anrar n weskasi (débat) kra n tγawsiwin s wazal-nsent, yernu uklalent s tidet ad nxemmem fell-asent. Ur yessefk ara, deg tgara, ad nettu ad d-nesmekti dakk-n Mass Bahbouh d yiwen seg yimeγnasen (militants) imeqranen n tmaziγt, ixelleṣ̣ aṭas deg yimenγi-ines γef tmaziγt, yettwaṭṭef, yettwεatteb u yettwaḥbes acḥal n yiseggasen, yernu ass-a, γas ma yella ur nemsefham ara akk d tekta-s, maca yessefk u yuklal ad t-nqader.

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De: "y_atziri" <y_atziri@...>
Date: Jeudi 21. Septembre 2006 13:38
Sujet: Amawal n Ayt Awres - Tameslayt n Ayt Frah

y_atziri

Salam n R'ebbi fell-awen,

Wigi d awalen id kksegh seg wedlis yura André Basset : Id'risen imazighen n Awres –Tameslayt n Ayt Frah ( Textes berbères de l'Aures – Parler des Aït Frah).

Taktabt agi teffgh-d gher tizgirin Andrien-Maisonneuve deg useggas 1961.

Fkigh-d tira akken tella deg udlis, dacu beddlegh-t, tikwal, cwit' kan.

Tasuqelt n André Basset.

Timehrazt ( timehrazin) : mine

Llan gga t-irezzen [az'ru] s ufdis d lmass'a, llan gga s itteggen timehrazin.

Il y a (des gens) qui la casse [la pierre] ; il y en a (d'autres) « qui lui font des mines ».

Tadwirt/ tidwirt ( ?) ( tidwirin) : pièce d'une maison :

Tiddar-nnegh, u-deg-sent-s' la-bas en-tedwirin (n tedwirin).

Nos maisons n'ont pas beaucoup de pièces.

Lqern : côté dans une maison.

Leâbub (au pluriel uniquement) : ustensiles de cuisine.

[Tiddar-nnegh] deg-sent lqern n-yilmes ani nussn°a, nessrus leâbub el-lmakelt.

[Nos maisons] comportent le côté du feu, où nous faisions la cuisine et nous mettons les ustensiles de la cuisine.

Izuggwaren : inighman

Teggeni (nom collectif) : ttmar (dates )

[Tiddar-nnegh] deg-sent tighurfawin ani nteffer lâult am irden t-temz'in ( d temz'in) d izzugggwaren t-teggeni ( d teggeni).

[Nos maisons]comportent une pièce à provisions où nous gardons la récolte : le blé , l'orge ,les figues [et] les dattes.

Ar tikelt nnid'en ma yebgha R'ebbi.